Christian, Don’t Say The Gays In Orlando “Got What They Deserved”

Every time a vicious crime is committed against a group of LGBT people or a natural disaster befalls a Gay Pride event, my ears are pained by senseless explanations offered by religious yet graceless voices. Most Christians mourn and weep over these tragedies, but I always hear a few Bible Belt dwellers claiming “the heathen” got what they deserved—that God smote the sodomites as they reveled in their sins. They recall biblical stories like Sodom and Gomorrah and almost excitedly proclaim that God is “still in the business of judging rebels!” There is no doubt in my mind that there are religious yet gospel-ignorant men and women sitting in their church pews as I write this article, feeling tempted to utter such insensitivities in the wake of the Orlando gay club shooting.

If you are one who is inclined to believe these gay club attendees got what was coming to them, I plead with you to consider the words of Jesus:

“There were some present at that very time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” –Luke 13:1-5

Is homosexual behavior sinful? Absolutely. Is embracing homosexual desires an act of defiance against a good and holy God? Most definitely. Is a nightclub full of intoxicated homosexuals one of the least holy places you could enter? As someone who spent four nights a week in gay clubs prior to Jesus getting his hands on me, I can assure you that it is. But are homosexual sinners worse than Sunday school sinners? Not by a long shot.

Apart from God’s grace, you are just as depraved and enslaved to the sin within you as the LGBT person. Your wickedness may flesh out differently, but it is no less despicable in the sight of God. Do you think God finds your self-righteous judgment of the gay man more tolerable than He finds the gay man’s same-sex acts? Do you think He is less disturbed by you looking down your nose at the lesbian woman than He is by that lesbian woman’s homosexual indulgences? If so, think again—and heed the words of the One you say you follow: “Unless you repent, you will likewise perish.” Friend, don’t think, even for a second, that underneath your conservative Republican-ish veneer, your heart is any less obstinate and wicked than that of the gay man dancing at the gay bar in Orlando last night.

God does not take delight in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 18:23)—and neither do those whose hearts have been filled with his love. If you claim to follow Jesus, mourn over the rebellion of those who refuse to trust him (Luke 13:34). Weep over death and the widespread grief that accompanies it (John 11:35). But don’t utter a word of condescending judgment—because your own sinfulness earns you no less than an eternity under God’s wrath.

  • mike

    “Christian, Don’t Say The Gays In Orlando “Got What They Deserved”

    You’re saying that what happened is NOT God’s judgement on them. I agree.

    But there is a hard lesson here: enough gay pride! Enough disrespect by many in the gay community in today’s society. More and more gay pride is becoming more and more in your face. Public kissing in public places like restaurants where families gather. Why? For equality’s sake, c’mon. Not always. A discreet kiss maybe, but flaunting gay sexuality in front of children is provocative and angers people. Moreover, gay pride parades are what? Why are they allowed? What is the purpose except again to flaunt gay sexuality. Provocative naked bodies in floats in parades anger people especially unstable people to do crazy things. The shooter’s dad claims this is what led to his son’s actions. Maybe. But enough naked bodies!

    The gay community needs to rein in its rebellious citizens. It needs to evaluate where it’s going with this gay pride agenda. The gay community now has equality at least here in Canada. It does not need to flaunt anything anymore, but show discipline by its members to the greater community of which it is a part.

    • Aaron Taylor

      Then no holding hands, no kisses and no arns around the waist for anyone, period Mike. Your attempt to sound accepting and open-minded and justification is protection of children is thinly veiled. You talk about “flaunting”‘ well what is equality, then?!
      You don’t want any sort of equality or acceptance just face it and be honest. Putting forth of what you act like as a well reasoned argument while trying to ignore all of history with all of your why are “they” questions; empty. Just be honest with your newly found “acceptance”, which you and your ilk are not.

      • Joseph Robert Kennedy

        Another perfect example of how the LGBT community demands confrontation with the masses. Why else lump MIke into the people of “your ilk”. You demand confrontation. You want it. You thrive on it. People with your attitude are a huge part of the swelling conflict. Most people aren’t too concerned overall. We can do remedial math.

        • Aaron Taylor

          You had read my response with a command of the english language before answering, or attempting to answer or address the post. First of all, your commentary suggests I’m a part of some “community”. You don’t have anything to suggest that I am any spokesperson for any type of group, let a lone a community. Your preconceived assumptions are fighting with a preconceived person. You continue to assume, here’s where english would help, that I was addressing a broader audience, which is incorrect, of course.
          Might want to not lean on your broad generalizations and preconceived notions. It displays how narrow minded and or brainwashed you are. God doesn’t need any favors from you, so don’t do him a disservice by your alienating another person from Him with your rhetoric.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            See the see more link near the bottom of a long comment? That’s the link I never click when I know it will be a further waste of my valuable time.

    • Connie Daniels

      it is absolutely remarkable that people are focusing on the gay part and completely ignoring the terrorist part, wake up people. God deals with sin in His own way and that is not our place . Christs love does not rejoice in others whatever you want to call it, You do not say anything near what this headline invokes and if you are really discerning you realize the media is dragging your focus from what it was a terrorist attack against gays not look at “oh they were sinners” News flash we all are sinners. Especially of that is ones attitude in the first place.

    • Alan

      Hey mike, what you’re saying may need to be said at some point but maybe today isn’t that day. They’re still identifying the bodies and family members don’t know yet about loved ones. It is not a day for gay pride, but maybe a little compassion is called for. Maybe now isn’t the time to moralize about “provocative naked bodies on floats,” instead maybe we can weep for the bloody young bodies slaughtered in the prime of life. Today’s not a day to make points.

      Hey man, I’m just sad today. God bless ya brother.

      • CJ

        amen… feel sad too…I care about the souls who were destroyed…God cares…deportation would have helped…too late now.

        • Alan

          Hey CJ, the guy was American, grew up in NYC. Parents are devout Muslim immigrants from Afghanistan, but they’ve never killed anyone. Problem’s not mainly immigration or Islam but the madness of evil that haunts people’s hearts.

          The opposite and best of people was on display in the mile long line of people waiting for hours to donate blood. Awesome to see all races, religions & ethnicities come together just to help.

          • Reed Robertson

            Islam is evil. Read the Koran and Hadith. It is a death cult started by a false prophet.

          • bluzhawk

            According to recent reports, the shooter was closeted and thought killing gays was a way to deal with the closet and gain glory as a Muslim. That is evil. So is the pressure from religion that condemns one to a closet. Religion should bring freedom. Christianity when its focus is Jesus does that.

          • Alan

            In the case of ISIS or Boko Haram or others who carry out brutal acts to be faithful to Islam, yes, they’re evil. But with this guy, reports are that killing gays was his way of dealing with the closet, that doing so would bring him glory under Islam. ISIS has thrown gays from rooftops to their death, but I’m guessing if this shooter wasn’t dealing with the closet, he wouldn’t have killed that night.

          • James

            So Christianity when flaunted by the wrong people, ask the blood of the native American’s we killed to get the land we stand on. The death toll in the name of Christianity over the years is also astronomically high.

      • Joseph Robert Kennedy

        This article is inflammatory and confrontational. As usual for some reason the gay community is not satisfied with living in the most free society on earth. No, they want to get in everyone’s face. Call them haters ad incite conflicts.

        • Alan

          From reports, the shooter was violent to his ex-wife and unstable, and according to his father, what may have triggered the hatred that led to this attack was seeing two men kissing in public. Maybe the two guys called out and said look over here before they kissed but I’m guessing not. And maybe the 300 people marched in front of the shooter’s house before going to the club, but I’m thinking maybe they were satisfied living in the most free society on earth and just went out that night to be with friends and didn’t deserve to die.

          The shooter didn’t kill 50 because he was part of the majority community or defending its ideals, but because of the darkness in his heart, mind and soul. I’m not hearing the majority community owning this guy as one of their’s. Rational thought would conclude that the response to being called out shouldn’t be automatic gun fire.

          • Reed Robertson

            God decides when we die. Isn’t that what the Bible says?

          • bluzhawk

            That God is sovereign doesn’t mean the shooter’s actions are on Him. What’s your point?

          • Alan

            Are you saying God sent the shooter? Hope not.
            What’s your point?

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            I didn’t intend to imply that the crazy person shooter was part of any majority. Therefore your lame attempt to color my commentary as such is wasted breath.

            He was a minority personality. We are now learning this person was probably gay and was conflicted within himself. I find this amusing because it creates a sticky dialog going forward for the LGBT community that has been very swift in labeling this mentally ill person a hater and a bigot and most importantly a product of Christian values! Buwahahahahahaha.

            Let’s see how fast the advocates of hate can backpaddle now that it is probable that the person was actually afflicted with a sexual identity crisis and some serious anger management issues. .

            What I intended to say in a nutshell is. When you consistently invite social conflict and ask for confrontations….you will get your wish sooner than later. Therefore perhaps it is not such a good thing to implement social movements with cultivated conflicts.

          • Alan

            Hey Joseph, I thought you were saying the shooter did what he did because the majority was reacting to gay pride demonstrations. If I misread that, apology. 4 days later the facts have changed alot as you mention. I’m thinking about things differently than when I first commented.

            Demonstrations are counterproductive when they offend with nudity and public sex acts. Having said that, I’m trying to think of other significant social movements in history that happened without conflict. Anti-slavery, prohibition, womens’ voting, civil rights, ending the vietnam war…they all were successful because of protests that were public and in-your-face, and because of that offended a whole lot of people. Maybe it’s just the inertia of the status quo that only changes thru conflict. The majority’s answer of dogs and water hoses in the case of civil rights, and bullets at Kent State, remain the wrong way of dealing with things.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Thank you Alan. My most honest feelings about this horror story is that 50 good people died with another 53 wounded and the rest infused with a lifetime supply of PTSD.

            I feel deeply sad about the victims losses. I try to imagine how I would have reacted if I weren’t shot dead. I try to imagine how I would feel if my children or my wife or my siblings or my friends were murdered on a dance floor, or anywhere else.

            Although I am not a practicing religious man. I pray, just in case I’m as stupid and cold as Bill Mahr.

          • Alan

            I’m with you Joseph. I’ve been down all week. I can’t wrap my head and heart around individuals making and carrying out plans to slaughter so many complete strangers. I know it’s crazy and evil but still, it’s so depressing. Aurora movie theater, Virginia Tech classrooms, Newtown kids, Charleston churchgoers.

            Good on you for praying man. What I understand from religion is that it’s to mean life in your spirit and help bring you into God, not force you to be dishonest about who you are and what you’re dealing with. I follow Jesus and that more than anything else I’ve found has helped me deal well with my SSA as well as the craziness in this world. I don’t know about Bill Mahr but with a doggie avatar you could never be stupid and cold.

          • billy bob

            You must be senile. Your first comment here says “ungrateful queers not satisfied with being second class citizens (for some reason) in the free USA. They flaunt it and rub our noses in it and shove it down our throats, just taunting us to kill them.
            This article was written just to make me angry.
            Those dumb homos should think about what’s gonna happen when a minority refuses to trail behind the majority on their knees kissing their butts. Yep, got what they deserved.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Hahahahaha. Don’t you get it? I am not reading beyond the first few words. You are nothing to me. Your opinions are less than nothing to me. F O Pathetic lonely queen.

          • You really are just a f’in a’hole aren’t you? Show me where “I” made that disgusting statement you POS liar mf’er.

            You do this allot, I can tell. You go around putting hate into other people’s mouths by simply lying like a POS scumbag with no guts and no integrity whatsoever. Back in the day real men could settle this – but today they are mostly cowardly pussies with no souls and no real pride or self worth. So why not try to drag everyone else into your ditch of a lifestyle? Right? POS hateful self loathing narcissist that is first and foremost in love with it’s own reflection!

          • You’re a liar. Show me where I made any such post. You are a liar. A self loathing narcissist and metally I’ll beyond repair.

          • You must be high. The only one that has typed what you have typed, is you. Oh yah…how has this situation played out after all? Did you expect the psycho killer to be a self loathing homosexual?

          • Brandon Burrell

            I read the “see more” section of your comment. I did so, because I’m actually interested in having a dialogue with you, and can’t do so if I don’t know what you said. There is nothing “amusing” about any aspect of this tragedy. 50 people are dead. They are dead. Dead. Gone forever. They have passed into eternity, possibly without accepting the gospel, even in their last breath. You seem to be gloating over the fact that you are “not like them”. All have sinned. All have come short of God’s glory. Don’t look down your nose at others who need Him. Please. God sent His Son not into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

          • billy bob

            “I find this amusing”. See, I knew you could do it. “the LGBT community that has been very swift in labelling this mentally
            ill person a hater and a bigot and most importantly a product of
            Christian values! Buwahahahahahaha.” Yes, you find it VERY amusing hater and bigot. He was raised in America where it’s christians not muslims spreading the exact same hatred. I don’t know where you read about the LGBT community saying anything but if it fits your heterosexist agena, just make it up. His self-loathing? That would come from being surrounded by people like you, are you thick?

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Maybe his self loathing of his gayness was a factor? What do you think?

          • Brandon Burrell

            Certainly

          • Alan

            The different troubled parts to this guy’s story keep multiplying. Along with growing up with SSA under a strict father following a religion which is deeply against homosexuality, recent stories are saying he had a huge problem with anger control going back to middle school. What a mix of things. That he viewed killing strangers who were gay as some kind of out for himself and as a way of gaining glory in his religion shows how screwed up his head was at the end. He deeply needed help years ago.

          • billy bob

            I’m sure you’ll find a way of saying “they got what they deserved”.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Ahhh yes….a common dumb c*nt troll technique…if your chosen adversary doesn’t act how you need them to act or say what you need them to say in order to justify your own self loathing and hate for others….well you just say and do it for them.

            Hahahahahaahhaha. You really are not very bright at all. Gutless nothing.

        • James

          “Maybe it’s time for some rational thought about what is likely to happen when you have a minority community constantly calling out the majority community and demanding confrontation.”

          Seriously? Two of my gay friends were beat in the past 2 months just for walking down the street. I held my boyfriends hand for 2 minutes before being threatened and insulted by people in the street. The gay club where I work, which is a private members only club, we threatened by people driving around the block holding a gun out the window. We haven’t done JACK SHIT except have the expectation that we deserve to be treated with the same rights and privileges as all the other people in this free country. We don’t want conflict, we want to be left the hell alone.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            I didn’t bother to click the “see more” tab in order to actually read your entire diatribe. It’s predictable vitriole. Go bark up some other tree for awhile. I feel sorry for you.

          • James

            And with that attitude you wonder why we don’t like people like you. I feel sorry for Matt, he can’t even host intelligent conversations where the contributors stick to the very topics and discussions they start. I get better dialogue from 10 year olds.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Thanks for the chuckles. LOL. I see no reason to waste time with your problems.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Where is your compassion dude?

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Thanks for the humor. Have a nice day.

          • I wonder? No I don’t….It never crosses my mind to worry about whether or not “you people” like me. I prefer to associate with more emotionally and psychologically healthy people.

            I mean seriously, if my self worth was dependent upon what sick narcissistic mentally ill individuals like you believe or think….hahahahahahahahaha what a pathetic and sad life that would be.

          • Brandon Burrell

            I don’t think you feel sorry for him. I am pretty sure you think you’re better than him. Love is tough when you come across someone who lives in a way that you maybe never would. Still, it’s something we’re commanded to do. As a Christian, we should be praying for people to come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord.

          • billy bob

            I feel sorry for J. R. Kennedy. You are no Kennedy. I didn’t read your vitriol either. This low on the page I’ve seen it 59 times. Once for each hetero commenting here. It’s like a broken record. “We don’t want you to have equal rights cause we can’t compete. Stop asking cause we’re the majority and as in elementary school, the bullies don’t like to be challenged as they are all cowards deep down”.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            LOL….no need to read more than “I feel sorry”. You just hope anyone would care about anything related to you. You sorry anonymous troll loser. Go suck yourself off some more.

          • billy bob

            I doubt John F Kennedy is your real name either, but the photo is probably accurate. The “I feel sorry” was stolen from you so thanks for showing that bit of internet stupidity the disdain it deserves. “Go suck yourself off some more.” I think I will. Don’t you wish you could do that? It’s surely not your saggy old hag that’s going to do that for you.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            See I do read the first sentence…as long as it’s short and stupid :)Well since you must know who I am. That’s not a problem. You dumb hate filled self loathing anonymous gutless nothing. That’s one of my border collies Hachi-boy. He’s much brighter than you, no doubt.
            https://www.facebook.com/thinkgoodthoughts
            https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephkennedyinvt

            Retired at age 36. Own 30 beautiful self sustainable acres in the NEK of Vermont. Near zero debt. 3 great children raised, now in their late twenties. The eldest has developed his first patent pending medical device while working with the trauma intake and care unit at the MAYO clinic in Rochester MN. Yah….sucks to be me…..hahahahahahahahaha.

          • Poor billy bob sure wound up looking like a jackass on this thread. Again. It was another twisted self loathing homoerectus gone wild.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            I didn’t read beyond “I feel sorry”. Anonymous gutless vermin. LOL.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Phhhffttttttt. F O Troll Maggot with an F.

    • TamLin

      :But there is a hard lesson here: enough gay pride!”

      If you’ll pardon the phrase, you’re dead wrong “mike.” This is all the more reason for Pride. The blind, ignorant, shocking hatred we see in homophobic violent crime makes the message of Pride all the more important, and that message is that there’s nothing wrong or shameful or abominable about being gay. Rather, the abomination lies in the hearts of those so angered by such things that they’ll resort to bloodshed.

      “More and more gay pride is becoming more and more in your face. Public kissing in public
      places like restaurants where families gather. Why?”

      Why do straight people kiss in public? Indeed, why do we never question it when they do?

      “A discreet kiss maybe, but flaunting gay sexuality in front of children is provocative and angers people.”

      Tough.

      “Moreover, gay pride parades are what? Why are they allowed? What is the purpose except again to flaunt gay sexuality.”

      Why are they “allowed”? Under what legal mechanism would you bar them?

      As for the purpose, it’s quite simple: For centuries, we were told that being gay is a shameful thing that needs to be hidden, and because being gay was kept a secret, stigmatized thing, it was childishly easy to persecute the gay community. The message of Pride–illuminated in that single, bold word–is that there IS no shame, no stigma, no need for secrecy, and no excuse for harm.

      You tell us that being gay is an awful thing. Pride tells you: No. Why does the parade happen every year? Because of your very words. Why will it continue in the future? Because you’re still talking. And why do so few agree with your opinion anymore? Largely, because of Pride.

      “Provocative naked bodies in floats in parades anger people especially unstable people to do crazy things.”

      Crazy people might be “provoked” by virtually anything. We don’t structure society to cater to the delusional. Indeed, how could we? You’re just looking for an excuse to blame victims, here, mike. But the fault for this crime falls on the perpetrator.

      “The gay community needs to rein in its rebellious citizens.”

      No.

      Do you need to hear it again? N.O. No. Guess what, mike? It’s Pride month. You’re going to be hearing a lot of “No” to this demand in June. And next June. And for every June thereafter, even long after you’re gone.

      • mike

        Carry on then. Flaunting your wares. If you think it will get you respect. Not with me! Respect is earned by being respectful of others. Pride in your face is not respectful. I’m gay too. And I get it 😊.

        • TamLin

          Maybe people have more important things to worry about than just your tender sensibilities. Crouching in the closet for centuries didn’t help anyone, whereas a few decades of Pride has made life livable.

          • Dominic

            Livable for whom?The decent people,or the perverts?

      • Brandon Burrell

        But pride is a sin. So is homosexuality. So is murder. So is bitterness, and wrath, defiance, malice. So is hetrosexual promiscuity. So is lust, towards other people or things. So is self righteousness. That is the point of this post. And this. . . Jesus Christ bore The full penalty of all these sins and more. He came for us all. He died for us all. Three days later, He rose again. He died for all of our sins. He rose so that we could all have new life in Him. What’s real is, we all need Jesus Christ, all day, every day, down to our bones we need Jesus. And He has made Himself available to us, if we lay down our “pride”, gay or otherwise. What happened in that club to the people there is sad and wicked. And the answer for the haters and the hated alike is the precious blood of our Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. We need not bite and devour one another. Let’s cry out to Jesus. The whole world needs Him as much now as it ever did. Amen. Thank You Lord Jesus Christ. We humble ourselves before you now.

        • TamLin

          You can preach all you like, but preaching didn’t make life one whit safer for gay men and women before 1969. Pride has done quite a bit for them since, though.

          • Brandon Burrell

            I really am not here to preach. I, like everyone else on this planet, need Jesus Christ. Pride is a sin. It’s a sin for me. It’s a sin for you. It’s a sin if you’re “gay”. It’s a sin if you’re “straight”. It’s a sin if you attend church 3 or more times a week or if you have never been. It’s a sin if you are a murderer. It’s a sin if you are a victim. Rich or poor. Young or old. Gay pride, religious pride, all pride. Pride says “I don’t need God, I need me”. Pride says, “I need more of what I want. My desire. My impulses are the solution.” We all have it. It’s a prison. And Jesus Christ came to set us free from that prison. To set you free. To set me free. To set “gays” free and “straights” free. Pride has done nothing but made the world more selfish and self centered. Pride refuses to admit it’s brokeness and repent, to humble itself and ask for help, admit it’s bankruptcy. But wisdom still cries in the streets. Jesus Christ still says that He is the Water of Life. All we have to do is drink. That is not me just telling you what you need. It’s me acknowledging what we all need. We all need Jesus Christ, and to recieve the gift that He offers. Pride, all pride, is nothing, nothing but a dead end.

          • TamLin

            “I really am not here to preach. I, like everyone else on this planet, need Jesus Christ.“

            Your second sentence contradicts your first.

            “Pride says ‘I don’t need God, I need me.’ Pride says, ‘I need more of what I want. My desire. My impulses are the solution.’”

            Maybe that’s what you think it means. I’d defer to a different definition: “Openness may not completely disarm prejudice, but it’s a good place to start.”

            “Pride has done nothing but made the world more selfish and self centered. “

            Gay pride has made the world safer, more accepting, more compassionate, and more giving.

            “Pride re fuses to admit it’s brokeness and repent, to humble itself and ask for help, admit it’s bankruptcy.”

            Being gay is not being broken or bankrupt. Homophobia, on the other hand, falls quite neatly into the purview of those adjectives.

            “That is not me just telling you what you need. It’s me acknowledging what we all need. We all need Jesus Christ, and to recieve the gift that He offers.”

            Speak for yourself.

            I know plenty of people, gay and straight, say they need Jesus in their lives. That’s their business. Some people even tell us that being gay is “a sin.” That’s nonsense, but you’ve got a right nonsense, if you insist. Just don’t expect everybody else to go along with it.

          • Brandon Burrell

            My heart greives for the fifty human beings that entered into eternity. It greives for their families. This is a tragic event. The largest homicide by one person in the history of the United States. The truth remains. Jesus died for your sin and mine. He died for the shooter. He died for the victims. He was raised to life again so that you and I would have new life. The gift of salvation is free. It has to be accepted. Pride is sin. Homosexuality is sin. Hate crimes are sin. Self righteousness is sin. If my confessing that I need the Lord Jesus Christ at all times, in every situation, constitutes preaching, Amen, so be it. If my telling you that you need Jesus Christ at all times, in every situation constitutes preaching, Amen, so be it.
            And you are broken. And you know it. So am I. So is everyone else. A enraged man, walking into a nightclub and murdering fifty unsuspecting people, should make us all realise that there is a desperate need for God, here, now, for all of us, not just “gay” people, not just “crazy” people, all people. The world is in serious trouble. Jesus came so the world would be saved. There are not enough parades or laws to pass that can remove the nagging feeling, no matter how faint that something is missing, that you are separated from your real purpose, that you actually oppose yourself. Whether one is stripped of life in a school, in a nightclub or at the age of 100, surrounded by 3 generations of loved ones, we will all stand before the Lord Jesus Christ and give an account for what we did with the life he blessed us with. Did we choose Him or ourselves? Did we seek the Lord, or did we love pleasure more. As long as there is breath in our lungs there is hope. And Jesus Christ still says that He is the Water of Life. Come and drink.

          • TamLin

            Yeah, preaching is a whole lot of words, all right.

            Everybody’s heard the “sin” pitch already. Personally, I’m not impressed.

          • Brandon Burrell

            You are impressed. But not by me. You’ve heard the sin pitch. Hear it again. Repent. The kingdom of God is at hand. Hear it again. Jesus Christ came to save sinners, of whom I am chief. Hear it again. Christ came not condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved. He will change you, so that your desire is to know and please Him, not yourself. He will make a new creation. And you will be with Him forever. That’s the best part. Eternity with our glorious Creator, after a lifetime of service instead of rebellion, sexy time does not compare, it wilts, it shrivels, it dies in His Light. You can be free today. Not “proud”, free. Free from the slavery of sin. Tomorrow is promised to no one.

          • TamLin

            Sorry, I already gave at the office.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Don’t want your money. I want to stand beside you in Heaven. Repent. Admit your bankruptcy. Turn to Jesus Christ. Be washed in His Blood, cleansed of all your sin, lust, pride, unforgiveness. Let go of the guilt and shame that comes with rebellion against God. Receive the eternal life that is yours for the taking.

          • TamLin

            It’s a figure of speech. It means I don’t care.

            You can preach if you like. It’s a free country. But don’t expect a big reaction.

          • Brandon Burrell

            You’re lying. That’s okay though.

          • TamLin

            Zzzz.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Sleeping or waking, He’s always there. Long after our conversation ends these words go with you.

          • TamLin

            Not really. I’ve heard it all before. Much more eloquent people have preached at me, but this kind of pallid Iron Age rhetoric is just dull and dehumanizing.

            This is a Christian blog, so of course you have to expect preaching in response to virtually any comment. Indeed, if you want to continue having it, go nuts; maybe the time you spend on this will spare someone else the same tiresome treatment.

          • Brandon Burrell

            I love your insults. Your attempt to degrade me fills me with joy. I’m in great company, being condescended to by you. I am an ineloquent believer in dehumanizing Iron Age beliefs, according to the spirit of this age that’s speaking through you. That’s great. It’s wonderful. And I am the one treating someone badly according to you. That’s fine too. Jesus Christ has and will continue to free me and others from a lifetime of reckless, arrogant, suicidal sin and rebellion, that was born out of a broken heart separated from Him. You can be free too. Right now, you would rather spit resentment and “pride” at me. But here we are. Still talking. You are still broken, bankrupt, self-defined by an urge you know deep down is wicked. And I still want to see you set free from all of that madness. And Jesus Christ still died and rose again to bear the penalty of your sin and to raise you up to a new life in Him. You can insult me all you want. I rejoice to be counted worthy of your critique. The words that I speak are life and truth. And they will stay with you.

          • phshaw

            Amen Brandon… Every knee will bow to our Lord, and God will be glorified.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Amen

          • TamLin

            “I love your insults. Your attempt to degrade me fills me with joy.”

            Insults? Buddy, nobody is insulting you here, I’m just telling you how it is. You like to talk (as it were, this being the Internet), and hey, good on that if it makes you happy, I guess.

            “I am an ineloquent believer in dehumanizing Iron Age beliefs, according to the spirit of this age that’s speaking through you.“

            Spirit of the age?

            “And I am the one treating someone badly according to you. That’s fine too. Jesus Christ has and will continue to free me and others from a lifetime of reckless, arrogant, suicidal sin and rebellion, that was born out of a broken heart separated from Him.”

            See, this is what I mean when I say “dehumanizing.” You can’t have a conversation with someone who’s preaching to you. Partly because they have no interest in what you might have to say back, but largely because preaching is so alien, abstract, detached, mystical, non-humanistic, and even kind of violent. It’s just weird. A

            “You can be free too. Right now, you would rather spit resentment and pride at me.”

            I think you might be projecting a little here.

            “You are still broken, bankrupt, self-defined by an urge you know deep down is wicked.“

            Nah.

            “And Jesus Christ still died and rose again to bear the penalty of your sin and to raise you up to a new life in Him.”

            Not really.

          • Brandon Burrell

            You’re back. Guess you feel the need to “preach” a little bit too, about your self sufficiency, and “pride”. Pride is a dead end. You can never fill up on it, because it is a bottomless pit of want. Wicked desire is choking you. Is that alienating? Sorry. It’s the truth. I’m prepared for you to vehemently declare that it’s not, more than likely after you’ve placed these very words in quotation marks. If you really believed that, you wouldn’t be here insisting that it isn’t true. Your knowledge of your own glorious humanity would be enough. As it is, there is a desire to shout me down, because I tell you the truth. You can’t walk away from the fight. You came to this blog to pick a fight in the first place. And now you’re preaching. You preached at Mike. You’re preaching to me. You’re preaching to all who read this thread. But there’s no freedom in your preaching, instead just bondage to lust. There’s no love or forgiveness in your preaching, just puffed up pride and arrogance. There’s no compassion in your preaching, just the exaltation of desire, a broken desire, that is sick and unnatural. And my assertion that you can be forgiven, redeemed, washed in the blood of Jesus Christ and raised to new life in Him, is something that the antichrist spirit of this age that has laid claim to your mind and body, rails against. But there’s nothing beyond the power of Jesus Christ. I have come to torment that spirit before it’s time, yes I have. So I call it what it is, a wicked spirit that has it’s grips on you. It’s an unclean spirit. It’s demonic. It’s not you I am contending with. It’s wicked deception. So you can try to make of this whatever you want. Jesus Christ came to set the captives free, and you are no exception.

          • TamLin

            “Pride is a dead end. You can never fill up on it, because it is a bottomless pit of want.“

            No, Pride is a two to seven day civic festival celebrating and affirming LGBT people in your community and crusading for their equity, security, and recognition, plus more general themes of humanism, community, and compassion. Also, a really ripping party.

            “Wicked desire is choking you. Is that alienating? Sorry. It’s the truth. I’m prepared for you to vehemently declare that it’s not, more than likely after you’ve placed these very words in quotation marks.”

            No, that’s just condescending. The alienating part is all the mystical, gestural, apocalyptic business that happens when we get further into the weeds.

            “If you really believed that, you wouldn’t be here insisting that it isn’t true. Your knowledge of your own glorious humanity would be enough.”

            Your presuppositionalism dictates that anything I do or say is, somehow, an affirmation of your ideas, so it doesn’t particularly matter whether I continue speaking to you or not. But the energy you’re expending on me is probably sparing someone else this same routine, so I don’t mind.

            “As it is, there is a desire to shout me down, because I tell you the truth.“

            False.

            “You can’t walk away from the fight. “

            This part is true, but accidentally. Are we fighting, by the way? Seems an odd way to witness.

            “You came to this blog to pick a fight in the first place. And now you’re preaching.”

            That’s not what I’d call it, but if you insist. You can’t possibly deny anyone else the right to preach?

            “But there’s no freedom in your preaching, instead just bondage to lust.“

            Have you been reading my FetLife?

            “There’s no love or forgiveness in your preaching, just puffed up pride and arrogance. There’s no compassion in your preaching, just the exaltation of desire, a broken desire, that is sick and unnatural.“

            There’s nothing sick or unnatural about being gay, being human, having feelings, or occasionally having sex. Indeed, these are the most natural things in the world. Self-flagellating abstinence is perhaps a sickness, though.

            “And my assertion that you can be forgiven, redeemed, washed in the blood of Jesus Christ and raised to new life in Him, is something that the antichrist spirit of this age that has laid claim to your mind and body, rails against.”

            Always the blood. It gets creepy.

            “But there’s nothing beyond the power of Jesus Christ. I have come to torment that spirit before it’s time, yes I have. So I call it what it is, a wicked spirit that has it’s grips on you.“

            And here’s where you get into the weeds. There are no spirits, demons, or powers at work here, just people.

            “It’s an unclean spirit. It’s demonic. It’s not you I am contending with. It’s wicked deception. So you can try to make of this whatever you want. Jesus Christ came to set the captives free, and you are no exception.”

            Come off it.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Won’t come off it. Nope. Blood. Blood. Blood. You have it. I have it. Jesus Christ, the Holy Annointed Son of God, had it when He came to this earth to shed it for you and me. Well that creeps you out. You still need a Saviour. You’re not safe. You say “pride” made you safe. Not so. Obviously, sadly not so. But you’re clinging to this ridiculous lie that what you crave is noble and beautiful, that it affords you rights. It’s not. It doesn’t. You’re mad about that. You’ll deny this of course. Like I said before, I am contending with the arrogant spirit of this age. I told you that “pride” is a sin. It is. My pride is a sin. Your pride is a sin. Gay pride is sin. All pride is sin. No one is safe. Safety is an illusion. So have your party, revel in it, but these words will never leave you. This life is fleeting and eternity is all that really matters. You or I, or anyone could enter the next world, in an instant, in fact, we all will. Then, we’ll stand before God. He’s made provision for us. But we have to humble ourselves before Him. “Humble”, the opposite of “pride”, the sin that brought down lucifer. “Pride” is a dead end, it’s a snare, it’s a trap, you are shackled by it.

          • Brandon Burrell

            No, I don’t care if you preach.

          • Brandon Burrell

            I’m not any better than you. This is not a contest. I never meant for it to become one. And I am sorry if it did. I began by imploring you to turn from sin. That’s where I’ll always end. You don’t believe you are a sinner. Okay, I do. I believe your “pride” will eat you alive. I believe it will completely destroy you if you don’t turn away from it. I believe you can. I believe you should. I believe there’s a better life for you on the other side of your obedience to God. Now, you say that’s “crazy”, “cryptic”, “mystical”, “alienating”, “apocalyptic”, “creepy”, that there are no “spirits” or “demons” at work. I don’t believe that. I don’t think you do either. “Pride” is a spirit, a puffed up, arrogant, insatiable, spirit. It stands to reason that “pride” would seek to have me rise up in some kind of false righteous indignation when my attempt to speak biblical truth about the snare you are in was rejected. I’m sorry that I took offence. I actually had no reason to. So, I repent, I repent to everyone who has read this thread. I repent to you personally. I talked about be humble instead of prideful. Let me be the first one to do as I say. See, no one is above needing forgiveness, no one is beyond being wrong. I sin, and just like I said, two days ago, I need Jesus Christ. Just as much as anyone else. I reject “pride”, my own as well as yours. I ask for your forgiveness, for not walking in the life I have been given. I ask the forgiveness of all who’ve read any nasty remarks, or sensed an attitude that didn’t show the love of Christ. I ask God’s forgiveness, here and now. It’s not just the “pride” of others that needs to die. It’s my “pride” too. I truly desire for you to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. I believe some day you will.

          • TamLin

            “Won’t come off it. Nope. Blood. Blood. Blood. You have it. I have it. Jesus Christ, the Holy Annointed Son of God, had it.”

            Everyone has urine, but it still makes for weird conversation.

            “Well that creeps you out. You still need a Saviour. “

            Not really.

            “You’re not safe. You say “pride” made you safe. Not so. Obviously, sadly not so.“

            Spoken like someone so stewed heterosexual privilege that it probably has a palpable scent.

            “But you’re clinging to this ridiculous lie that what you crave is noble and beautiful, that it affords you rights. It’s not. It doesn’t. You’re mad about that.“

            You’re saying I don’t have rights?

            “Like I said before, I am contending with the arrogant spirit of this age. I told you that pride is a sin. It is. My pride is a sin. Your pride is a sin. Gay pride is sin.”

            Who cares?

            “This life is fleeting and eternity is all that really matters.”

            This life is fleeting and there probably is no eternity, so it’s all the more needful that we make the best of the one life we have, for ourselves and for others.

            “Then, we’ll stand before God.”

            How about you let him worry about it then?

            “But we have to humble ourselves before Him.”

            What a flaccid and degrading cosmological view. I guess if this kind of thing makes you happy…I don’t know, whatever gets you through the night. Seems humiliating to me. But I don’t have to do it, so maybe it’s none of my business.

            “I began by imploring you to turn from sin.“

            And now you’ve done that, just like countless witnesses and preachers before you. Honestly, none of you are very good at this, as you insist on couching the pitch in arrogance, condescension, veiled bigotry, creepy apocalypticism, vague and gestural metaphysics, obscure folklore, anti-humanism, and patronizing presuppositionalism.

            That you get gratification out of talking to people this way I suppose I understand. But that you expect it to turn anyone onto your view is baffling. I couldn’t think of a more alienating rhetorical drive if you paid me.

            “You don’t believe you are a sinner. Okay, I do.“

            I’ll believe it if you say so. Caring is the difference. To millions of other people (even other Christians with doctrinal differences), you’re a sinner. Does their opinion make a lick of difference to you?

            “I believe your pride will eat you alive. I believe it will completely destroy you if you don’t turn away from it.”

            What parties have you been going to?

            “Now, you say that’s “crazy”, “cryptic”, “mystical”, “alienating”, “apocalyptic”, “creepy”, that there are no “spirits” or “demons” at work. I don’t believe that. I don’t think you do either.”

            Well, you’re wrong. And this belligerent insistence that you, a stranger on the Internet, somehow have a keen insight into my character and psychology is, well, yes, alienating, and creepy, and cryptic, and crazy.

            “Pride is a spirit, a puffed up, arrogant, insatiable, spirit. It stands to reason that pride would seek to have me r ise up in some kind of false righteous indignation when my attempt to speak biblical truth about the snare you are in was rejected. I’m sorry that I took offence. I actually had no reason to.”

            Well, you’re forgiven. In whatever limited capacity I have to do that in your cosmological view.

          • Brandon Burrell

            This is the last thing that I will say to you on this thread. You cannot say anthing inflammatory enough to get me to continue this incredibly hostile dialogue. You are angry, about many things, not the least of which is the hideous tragedy that occured last week, when 49 very real people were brutally murdered by a man who hated himself and them. Some of that anger is being taken out on me. It’s being taken out on God. It was taken out on Mike. It is probably taken out on many other people on a daily basis. And you are very intelligent, obviously, articulate as well. So when you cut people “down to size”, as it were, no doubt, you do it well, at least as well as such a thing can be done. This, no doubt, brings a certain personal satisfaction. But this can’t last. It won’t last. Not much longer. It can’t. And this post contains the last words I will give you to reprint, out of context, in quotation marks, so you’ll have to find someone else to punish for your unhappiness, puffed up in pride, trying to party the emptiness away, hoping that you’re right about eternity, but never being sure, cutting down “closet cases” for not having your “courage”, trolling Christian blogs, looking for arguments, until one day, you realize that God has always had His hand on your life, has always been there waiting for you to come to Him, to humble yourself, and accept the forgiveness that is already yours for the taking, so that you can spend eternity with Jesus. And I believe that day will come. I believe it’s sooner than you think, or are willing to admit. But the discussion on my side is over.

          • TamLin

            “This is the last thing that I will say to you on this thread. You cannot say anthing inflammatory enough to get me to continue this incredibly hostile dialogue.”

            Honestly, I think you’re confusing bemusement with hostility. Or possibly projecting, since YOU seem a touch hostile. But that could just be my confirmation bias.

            “You are angry, about many things, not the least of which is the hideous tragedy that occurred last week.”

            True, that does make me angry. This conversation, not so much. Mystified, put off, and occasionally weary, but rarely angry.

            “It’s being taken out on God. It was taken out on Mike.”

            That last one I’ll cop to. But sometimes anger is an appropriate reaction. Sometimes people need to hear the anger they provoke if they’re going to pay attention. I doubt it worked in the case of “mike,” but what are you gonna do?

            “This, no doubt, brings a certain personal satisfaction. But this can’t last. It won’t last. Not much longer. It can’t. And this post contains the last words I will give you to reprint, out of context, in quotation marks, so you’ll have to find someone else to punish for your unhappiness, puffed up in pride.”

            Not to be contrary, but since almost your entire comment is reproduced here, I’m not sure it’s out of context at all. As for personal satisfaction, I mean, I suppose? It depends on the conversation. I’m not sure why this distinction matters? Do you get satisfaction from these comments? If so, then why is this a bad thing? If not, then why do you suppose this is the only potential motivation for anyone else?

            “Trying to party the emptiness away, hoping that you’re right about eternity, but never being sure.”

            I don’t think either of us are sure about eternity. I just think I’m a little more honest about that uncertainty. “Emptiness” is another one of those speculative assumptions that I’m not sure a stranger is qualified to make. I could speculate that you’re filling personal doubt and anxiety with Jesus. I might even be right; some people do, after all. But how would I even know this about you? And why would you care if I make the allegation?

            “Cutting down ‘closet cases’ for not having your ‘courage‘, trolling Christian blogs, looking for arguments.”

            Takes two to argue…although now you say you’re not. Which, okay, fine. But if you’ve got anything else to say, I’m listening. I probably won’t like it, but there‘s no rule saying you only have to hear things you like.

            “Until one day, you realize that God has always had His hand on your life, has always been there waiting for you to come to Him, to humble yourself, and accept the forgiveness that is already yours for the taking.”

            Not really.

            I’m sorry, but this is just a silly comment. Do you suppose that all of those millions of Hindus and Muslims etc in the world all one day just wake up and realize, “Oh, right, Jesus is the answer!” Do you think that’s just lurking in them all along, and that sooner or later the penny will drop?

            I really don’t think that’s true. I’m pretty sure if eventual conversion to Christianity was an inevitable consequence of just living for long enough that it would be a rather widely observed and remarked upon phenomena, and that the demographic makeup of the world’s religions would look an awful lot different than it does now. So on what grounds do you assume such a thing?

          • Dominic

            I don’t grieve for them except that they died in their sins.Otherwise,I spit on them as sodomite filth who got the just reward for their perversions.

          • Brandon Burrell

            But you are filthy too. You are seething with hate, not filled with compassion for people who are lost and bound in affliction. You don’t know Jesus Christ. He forgave sinners. He loved them. He told them to repent and showed them that they could have new life in Him. That goes for you too.

          • Dominic

            Jesus wasn’t filed with compassion for sodomite lawbreakers.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Friend, you are on your way to the hell you think is reserved for others.

          • Dominic

            Really,I think not you enabler.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Can you tell me how urging people to repent of their sins and be forgiven and born again is being an enabler? Do you understand the gospel? Jesus Christ came to save sinners. To rescue them from impending judgement, from slavery to sin, from broken lives and separation from God their father. Jesus Christ says come to me and have new life. That call is for you, it’s for so-called homosexuals, it’s for adulterers and drug addicts and liers and thieves and two faced traitors and terrorists and people who sit in church every Sunday with no real connection to God. Christ came not to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

          • Dominic

            They spit in His face with every debauched breath they take,and yet you want them saved.For what?So Heaven itself can be filthied by their presence?I won’t go to a Heaven inhabited by sodomites,I don’t care if God Himself allows it.

          • Brandon Burrell

            They won’t be sodomites in heaven. They will be redeemed. Just like anyone who comes to Jesus Christ is redeemed, forgiven of their sin and given new life. Right now you are just as much in rebellion against God as any active homosexual.

          • Dominic

            Really.I think not.

          • Dominic

            Doesn’t mean I’ll tolerate there either

          • Dominic

            And therein lies the rub.I don’t want them saved.They made their beds,so to speak,now they can be buried in them.N o second chances,since they thumb their noses at God anyway,mock Christians,and try to infect our kids with their filth.Evil deserves to be damned.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Yes. Evil deserves damnation. But God, not you, God in His mercy offers forgiveness to all sinners, even hate filled self righteous pharisees like yourself. You are just as wretched as any other unrepentant sinner. So repent.

          • Dominic

            Fuck you.

          • Dominic

            My righteousness didn’t matter.My loyalty does.And yours is seriously in doubt.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Loyalty to whom? Certainly not to the Lord Jesus Christ. He came to save sinners. You say that you don’t want that to happen. You need to repent of your sin of “pride”.

          • Dominic

            And I think they warrant death,but He doesn’t.?That’s what they can expect if they don’t change.And they flatly refuse to.

          • Brandon Burrell

            So called homosexuals have repented since the gospel was given 2,016 years ago. They will continue doing so until our Lord’s glorious return. You should pray that people come to repentance and salvation instead of wishing evil upon them. Jesus Christ desires to call us all out of darkness and into His marvelous light. That means me too. That means you too. No one is any better than anyone else. All have sinned and come short of God’s glory.

          • Dominic

            If they Keep doing evil,Im going to keep attacking them.

          • Dominic

            And I am head and shoulders better than them,by any measure.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Wow. Anyway. Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

          • Dominic

            You’re t he ones who need to repent.

          • Crystal

            Oh, how kind and loving! So like your Jesus. And your Mary. And every other dingblasted pope and bishop and everyone else!

          • Dominic

            I have nothing to repent of,At least in this case.

          • Dominic

            And no.Youre on the way to Hell for defending these trash.

          • Dominic

            Sure.Its made them bolder about their sin.

          • phshaw

            Preaching is not designed to make anyone safer. It is designed to open one’s mind and heart to Christ as our only hope against our intense desire to continue sinning. Either we heed the advice or we don’t. There is a consequence however to that decision.

          • TamLin

            “Preaching is not designed to make anyone safer.”

            Indeed. And Pride is. Pride, then, is more useful than preaching.

            “It is designed to open
            one’s mind and heart to Christ as our only hope against our intense
            desire to continue sinning.”

            Personally, I find “sin” is just a word. If we stop paying it any mind, there’s no need to invest all this work into supposedly mitigating it. Obviously you’ll have a different position.

            “There
            is a consequence however to that decision.”

            This kind of thing always sounds like a veiled threat. I’ve been told that it’s not meant to be, but here we are anyway.

        • Jerry Goin

          I have sinned in my life for sure. I think society would be better served if people left judging to God. Vengeance is mine said the Lord. I have not found anywhere that he gave that responsibility to anyone on this earth. I try to treat people the way I want to be treated. If someone tries to harm me or my loved ones I will fight back. Yes that includes my country. I believe in equal rights for all but no special rights for anyone. Actually I would say I am a live and let live Christian. As far as I am concerned people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones and that includes me.

          • phshaw

            Jerry… You’re right that people should not judge people, however Christ calls us to identify and if needed judge behavior. That is the only way we shall as Christ said “know them by their fruit”. As a person, you identify (or judge) the “fruit” – good or bad. Human perfection is not a pre-requisite. I’ll end by saying that this judgement starts with our own behavior.

      • Dominic

        And we ARE going to be seeing alot more cleansing against you sodomite filth.

        • TamLin

          Your threats don’t impress me, “Dominic.” Grow up, put away the keyboard, get out into the world for a bit and learn a thing or two about other people.

          • Dominic

            Homosexuals aren’t other people.They are immoral filth.

          • TamLin

            You seem like a sad, angry person. I hope you find help someday.

        • Brandon Burrell

          No one is any better than anyone else. Don’t pray for judgement unless you’re willing to face it yourself. These are real people that died. Just as real as you. Do you want to be “cleansed” because someone despises the way that you live?

          • Dominic

            Normal people ?No? Sodomite trash?Yes.

          • Brandon Burrell

            You’re not a normal person either. You’re filled with hate. Jesus is the answer for all of us, you, me, everyone.

          • Dominic

            Homosexuals aren’t people.They are hellbound filth.Anythingthat happens to them is warranted.They though AIDS was bad?Wait til they start rounding them up for the camps.

          • Brandon Burrell

            I think that you really need to meet Jesus Christ.

    • Milton

      That might be true to some degree (although i agree with Alan saying this isn’t the day to espouse that). BUT, I have a lot of gay friends who say they absolutely abhor gay pride parades and have nothing to do with that. In fact the gay friends I have are incredibly nice and wonderful human beings. I may not agree with their views on sexuality but they aren’t rude, proud, and in your face type judgemental crazy people that go to pride parades like a lot of Christians say they are. In fact a few of my gay friends actually belong to Pentecostal church’s (which is very ironic as they highly disagree with that). Im not saying i agree with that lifestyle but i will say don’t believe everything you hear people espousing what they say “all” gay people are “like.” Some Christians I know are a lot less behaved than some of these people in fact at times.

      • Milton

        This tragedy is deeply sad and infuriating. I wish those responsible great penalty. As for terrorism in general, there is nothing of God with them and wish them to turn from their wicked and evil ways. What was done today is an abomination before God, as He loves all. That’s why He sent the Messiah, to save us from this type of malarkey that goes on in this world.

      • Milton

        By the way, I was not insinuating that all of Pride parades and all people associated thereof are prideful or nasty, I was just stating that my gay friends didn’t like the parades. I am a Christian who wishes to try to reconcile for what the Christian church has said and done (wrongly) to the gay community.

    • Greg

      Fine then Christians need to stop flaunting their religion over everyone. Fair deal?

      • mike

        Greg, I’m not saying Christians are blameless. Not. If we are to live together harmonious each has to do their part. I don’t agree with in your face Pride. It’s inflammatory and self-centered. It is not respectful. We all need to do our part and earn respect. That’s a fair deal. No? What do you want me to do to help the gay community?

    • James

      “A discreet kiss maybe, but flaunting gay sexuality in front of children is provocative and angers people.”

      Are you kidding me? We kiss in public because we want to be treated like anyone else, normal. I kiss my boyfriend in public because i love him. When a straight couple does it in public, no one gives a crap. I want to be able to hold my boyfriends hand and walk down the street without fearing for our safety or lives. But no, if I do anything that shows affection to him it incites a homicidal maniac to go on a shooting spree. You want to know why we need things like gay clubs, bars, parades, and events? Its because for years we were forced to suppress who we are and what we feel, with no real explanation or help from anyone as we attempt to understand who we are. You don’t face the discrimination and hate we do on a daily basis. You’re left alone because you’re straight, because you’re not a “faggot”. You want the gay community to be “normal” in your society? Treat them that way. Don’t play the victim card and certainly don’t act like gay people are more sexually perverted than non gay people.

      • mike

        James that’s not what I’m talking about. C’mon dude let’s be fair. I’m talking about “flaunting” gay sexuality meaning ‘display (something) ostentatiously, especially in order to provoke envy or admiration or to show defiance’ as from the dictionary. Sure go ahead kiss your bf in public, hold his hand, but making out publicly is what I’m talking about which is true for straight people too. I have no double standard. But look straight people don’t have straight parades where they stand naked in floats and flaunt their sexuality. This Is what I’m talking about.
        By acting differently in these gay parades it appears that it is not equality that this “gay pride” wants but superiority and that is what irritates people. BTW I’m discriminated too. By whom? The gay community because while I have gay attractions I choose to ignore them and live in a straight marriage. Am I weird by your standards? Am I abnormal? You decide.

    • LogosAletheia

      The gay pride movement is about being especially “disturbing” in public and especially doing everything possible to traumatize children. Especially little, little children – 3, 4, 5, 6 years old. It’s how they recruit to the movement.

    • billy bob

      If you’re angered Mike, maybe the RCMP should be looking out for you. You people flaunting your straight sexuality, kissing in front of children is provocative and makes me angry. Especially since my taxes subsidize your fornicating and thanks to your homophobic bud Stephen Harper, I’m even paying for your brats to play hockey. No money for homeless people but handouts to hockey dads no matter what their income. Why are Shriner’s parades allowed? To flaunt hetero tackiness and boredom? If this angers some unstable person to take a cowardly automatic rifle (real men use pistols, ever seen a western? At least you stood a chance) and shoot up one of your churches or hockey arenas, it will be on your head for angering decent people.
      The hetero community needs to rein in it’s rebellious hockey brats. You obviously taught them that gathering up 5 of their 16 year old friends and ambushing single gay men to maim or kill them makes them men..Wrong. It didn’t make you a man and it won’t work for them either.
      Don’t you dare take credit for gay “equality” (really? We’ll be the judges of that) in Canada. We fought for those laws protecting our rights that we always had but you people violated. We fought and you bums called it provoking. Show discipline? We’ll do what we want just like you pigs have always done whatever you please. That is what equality is dummy.

  • Lyle Nelson

    In an age where violence is rampant, and one of the more predominant classes of victims of mass shootings has actually been young school children, who cannot by any stretch of the imagination be deemed to have “deserved it”, it is clear that none of us are safe. Unfortunately, many who are gay MAY interpret this as a hate crime that is symbolic of the attitudes of ALL non-gay people, rather than one individual. And all that does is increase the level of hate and hostility, which is never a solution for anything. “Vengeance is mine, I will repay”, God says. It’s not up to us to dole out punishment for the perceived sins of others.

  • Connie Daniels

    no Christian should ever say such a thing, it is unChrist-like and the antithesis of who we are to be, it is absolutely remarkable that people are focusing on the gay part and completely ignoring the terrorist part, wake up people. God deals with sin in His own way and that is not our place . Christs love does not rejoice in others whatever you want to call it, You do not say anything near what this headline invokes and if you are really discerning you realize the media is dragging your focus from what it was a terrorist attack against gays not look at “oh they were sinners” News flash we all are sinners. Especially of that is ones attitude in the first place

  • PastorT

    I appreciate the article, Matt, but I wish you’d paint with a broader brush:

    “I always hear a few Bible Belt dwellers claiming “the heathen” got what they deserved””

    Statements like that come from the mouths of professing Christians outside the Bible Belt all the time, too. There’s plenty of stupid to go around. I just hate the stereotype that southern Christians are labeled with.

    • Eagle_Eyed

      Then quit buying into it. The “formerly” homosexual author of this column claimed to overhear a conversation between Christians he claims to share a faith with and his first instinct was to blog about how hateful and judgmental Christians are. And you wonder why Christians get a bad name? As if this blogger isn’t part of the problem!

      • billy bob

        What? You don’t think he’s self-loathing enough saying “Is a nightclub full of intoxicated homosexuals one of the least holy places you could enter?” If you’re pissed because he’s gay, formerly gay, “the writer once know as formerly gay”, castrato or what ever he calls himself these days, then why do you read his blog? Just to bitch like a good sulky christian victim?
        No dumb dumb. Here is why christians are hated:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzAe3oJkWo0

      • billy bob

        By saying “formerly” homosexual author you sound like you think he’s still havin’ at it. If this is true Matt, give me a call. You’re cute despite your christian constipated virgin look. There’s still hope for you yet. You don’t have to waste your life on a fairy tale to please these very unpleasant people.

  • AJ

    I do not rejoice, I mourn. Not only because the homosexuals in that club who died lost their lives, but more importantly, because they went to a Christless eternity. Before you excuse their lifestyles, remember that the God of the Bible destroyed two cities because of it.

  • Harold Melton

    I never felt that way about this tragedy. It was a terrible thing that happened.

  • Lori Hardison-Strickland

    I haven’t heard not one Christian leader make this statement. You should be ashamed of yourself for making this about Chrustians who had not one thing to do with this. How about you worry about sowing discord among the brethren and bearing false witness against your neighbor. In this vane, your sin of doing what you’ve done by carelessly disparaging Christian leaders is much worse that anything. This is the sin God hates the most.

  • Jeremy

    Come on man……a true follower of Christ would never utter those words. Only moronic, hard hearted people would say such terrible things. There are bad apples in every bunch.

  • Chris D. Gardner

    If you are going to quote the Bible, at least use the King James Bible and not some Mickey Mouse “version”.

    • Brandon Burrell

      Let’s go back to the original Hebrew and Greek if we’re going to bother with the legalism. There are some problems with more than one translation. We are not called to worship a version of the Bible. We are called to worship the God the Bible tells us about, and He exsisted long before King James ordered the third English translation of the Bible to be printed. For the record, I read the King James Bible daily. I also like the Amplified Version. But we’ve been building tabernacles where they don’t belong.

  • Dominic

    God may not take delight in the death of these sinners,but I certainly do.

    • Brandon Burrell

      Repent

    • Matilda Aquila Chia

      Would you take delight in your own death then? Since you are also a sinner.

      • Dominic

        If I were a sodomite,then absolutely.Id be ashamed enough to want death.

      • Dominic

        Maybe,but at least I won’t burn for sodomy.T hat particular level of Hell is worse than the rest.

  • Marty Butler

    “Here is the good news that answers our question…what does God think of homosexuals? It is God’s desire that they be saved, that they be justified, that they be sanctified, that they be washed. And that homosexuality and that homosexual behavior be only part of their past so that it can be said of them, ‘Such were some of you.'” John MacArthur

    • Marty Butler
      • Brandon Burrell

        This sermon was amazing. Thank you for posting it.

    • Dominic

      God aside,I refuse to contaminate myself by tolerating their existence.

      • Sarah Graham

        That sounds like the opposite of what Jesus did. I’m sorry you feel as if you can even put “God aside” ever.

        • Matilda Aquila Chia

          I love your comment :’-)

        • Dominic

          If even He gets in the way of what needs to be done?Then absolutely.

      • Sophia Sadek

        Your intolerance has placed you on an official watch list.

        • Dominic

          Fuck you ,liberal whore.

          • Sophia Sadek

            You wish you could afford my rates.

      • Brandon Burrell

        You are contaminated. You are contaminated with hatred. You need Jesus Christ.

        • Dominic

          And you are a traitor to God for defending these vermin.

  • nrgxmsn

    Well this is a huge slap in the face to Obama, a terrorist killing gays, how much worse can it get. Now he will have to deflect and divert attention away from the two groups he favors the most, especially the terrorist formally known as a terrorist. Obama is so political he didn’t waste one second trashing the 2nd Amendment and blaming guns instead of the terrorist as he makes innocent and law abiding citizens the bad guys for wanting to protect their own lives and their families. Just remember any person liberal or otherwise who insists on banning guns does not have our best interest in mind and is paving the way for a tyrannical government to turn us into slaves.

    • Matilda Aquila Chia

      So how can having a gun protect yourself from being a slave to a tyrannical government? what would you do? Shoot at the government?
      That sort of idea is the problem. The whole problem that Obama is trying to address is that the presence of guns available would open up the possibility of such horrendous things like mass shootings to occur.
      Why would you need guns to protect youself and your families if there was no danger posed from a crazed guy with a gun in the first place? If not for protection against a mountain bear if you stay in the mountains, I dont see why an average citizen should carry a gun, where if used to shoot, the target would likely be a person?
      Also, even if they were armed, do you think the people in the gay club could have shot the assailant when they were attacked unsuspectingly while in the dark by open fire?
      Terrorism is a problem, but it could have been that even if the killer did not pledge alliance to ISIS and had done it merely out of hate or insanity, 50 people would still have died just because he had access to a gun.

      • nrgxmsn

        Let’s see Obama trying to solve the problem, REALLY, by confiscating the guns (protection) from innocent and law abiding citizens??? Are you crazy? Has it gotten through your thick skull Obama refuses to go after or address the perpetrators, the criminals, the evil doers? You are doing the exact same thing. Apparently you have never read nor understand our founding documents, the Federalist Papers, the Constitution, Bill of Rights which by the way Obama flat out rejects. The mindset is the 2nd Amendment was designed to protect us from a tyrannical government getting out of control. The very notion that citizens are armed and greatly out number any government entity is enough to prevent the government from getting delusional ideas like previous socialist and communist governments have done elsewhere. Hitler confiscated the Germans guns, ensuring them their kids would be safer, but after the citizens were disarmed he became an unstoppable evil dictator. The problem is you trust a government that cannot manage it’s own affairs let alone everyone else. You trust Obama who hates America with every molecule in his body. And you do not hold individuals accountable for their actions and instead in typical liberal fashion would rather punish everyone else for the crimes these one in a 10 million guys commit. We are not going to agree on the subject of guns because you have your theories but don’t live in the real world nor do you understand our history, freedoms and liberties. Guns have saved thousands of lives giving the average innocent and law abiding citizens the power over criminals and evil doers. Evil people and those who support them do not like that they have a disadvantage when it comes to their evil deeds. It keeps them at bay, but the minute you run into a criminal on the street who is brandishing a weapon and you are unarmed you are at his mercy and at the very least you will lose all your possessions and money and very well could have your life ended by a stranger simply because you refused to carry protection with you.

        • John Donovan

          Ever heard of someone defending himself by using an assault rifle?

          • nrgxmsn

            The shooter never used an assault rifle, he used a semi-automatic rifle. They are not the same. You rely on the news to much who are just as misinformed.

          • John Donovan

            AR – 15 — easily converted to fully automatic.

          • ML

            For clarification, the rifle was a Sig Sauer MCX…neither and automatic nor semi-automatic AR (Armalite Rifle).

      • Reed Robertson

        You are extremely ignorant of the reasons for the 2nd amendment. Please study the writings of the forefathers over this issue.

      • LogosAletheia

        Problem is — you can’t wait for 9-1-1 to respond quickly enough. Most active shooter events come down in second and minutes, not hours. Many places, the police department takes minutes or hours to come; or in other places, they never show up. So you’re really on your own to protect yourself and those around you in an active shooter situation. Which is why we need guns. If the club had not been a “gun free zone,” somebody there could have started “equalizing” the situation in short order, and less mayhem would have resulted. We must learn to defend and stand up for ourselves. If all Americans were taught adequate self-defense and shooting skills, with that training also goes learning the mindset how to analyze situations, how to think to defend yourself, and how to understand the next steps your antagonist will likely take, and how you should respond. You have seconds, barely minutes – not hours. Nobody talks about that.

  • Andrea

    Stop this in the name of the Son of God!! Those of you who do not recognize this as a vile act of murder and continue to perpetuate the lie that you are better because you are not homosexual….you will remember your words when your eyes are opened that you have turned against this God you say you know. Jesus gave his life for all of us. Even the murderous, hate-filled killer! We are all vile sinners before God.
    Ephesians 2:8&9. “8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
    Romans, chapter 2
    3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.”
    I am a sinner saved by grace. We must all bear this truth in our hearts. Only Jesus can bridge the gap to a Holy God who we cannot bear to be in the presence of His glory without dying. Jesus. Remember the truth spoken in the name of Jesus and lay down your judgement.

    • 1an Cooper

      Chill

  • CJ

    we are supposed to mourn with those who mourn…WE as Americans were attacked again…deport criminals who cannot and will not obey the laws…liberal judges and lawyers are part of the problem…so sad today for the innocent…

    • Joseph Robert Kennedy

      The shooter was US born.

    • James

      You can’t just send criminals to some other country. Countries are ruled by people and have citizens who want to be safe as well. US citizens should be treated like second class just because of their ancestry.

  • RoseCZena

    I live in NC and have not heard a single hateful word from the Christian community about what happened. Maybe you need to lay the hate at the door of where hate really exists – radical Islam, instead of immediately jumping to conclusions!

    • Greg

      I’ve seen a bunch of comments on Social Media that the gay community got what they had coming. You are no different than those who say not all Muslims are bad. Instead of denying reality take on groups like the Westboro Baptist Church.

  • Thomas Branigan

    Matt I am “proud” of you that you were able to call Homosexuality sinful. Very few can, and do, say that these days. I am glad that you have personally repented of that sin, and left that nightclub scene. However your misunderstanding of the Bible is still incredible. Do you really believe all sins are equal and God is equally upset with all sins and all sinners? If so why does He say stone the adulterers, but have a thief return the equivalent of what he stole plus 20%. Why not stone the thief to death? In your eyes a Sunday school sinner is equal in sin to a Romans 1 sinner. By that logic you have nothing more to say about the man who just killed the 50 and intended to kill over a hundred. Likewise the ISIS terrorists who behead thousands, and rape and torture thousands of women are also no worse sinners than the homosexuals killed in Orlando, and the Sunday school attendees that you so look down upon.In fact your long nose suggests the Sunday school sinners who look down their long noses are the very worst sinners of all. Hum….and I thought you started out by implying all sins are equal. May I suggest you have the longest nose of all. Please, don’t you dare say anything more negative about the killer of the homosexuals and Islam than you do about Homosexuality and Christianity. That would be hypocritical to your Biblical worldview. We are all equal sinners. in the eyes of God….. such sanctimonious tripe. Please study your Bible much, much harder. I personally call homosexual sex an abominable sin against Almighty God. I personally was very saddened by the deaths of so many people by a single man who decided to take Sharia Law into his own hands, and act as God himself. I personally think that his sin of murder is worse than the sin of homosexual sex. I understand Matt that you can not make such a statement or make such a judgement, because you have declared yourself and everyone of the rest of us, as bad in God’s eyes, as this man is. I can’t say that I thank you for aspiring me to resist the sins that I deal with daily. You are an anti-motivational speaker in those regards. Would you at least please “forgive” the rest of us Sunday school attendees for trying to identify, and avoid sin, in our own lives?

  • Marcia Foulkes Allison

    Most real Christians are greiving and praying for the survivors and the families right now. All life is precious from the babies yet still growing in the womb to the aged lying bed ridden and everyone in between! All people of every nation of every generation of every political or social status of every shape, size and color, handicapped and misguided we are all sinners who need the Savior Jesus who died the cross for our sins. We just need to have faith in Jesus, cry out for His merciful salvation, repent of our sins then we are His child saved from the consequences of our sin and in relaionship with God our Father!

  • SP

    Thank you Matt! I am a former bisexual woman, who is now a Christian. I feel so very humbled to be a part of this body of Christ…may I never forget my past, as a reminder of the sins I have committed, yet so graciously saved by our Lord. We owe everything to Him!!My ongoing lesson to love one another as He has loved us..I hope we can All learn to love Everyone as Jesus does.

  • gman2

    Nobody deserves this but don’t blame Christians or guns. A Muslim did this.

    • Bill

      A heterosexual man did this.

      • gman2

        Homo or hetero he was Muslim.

        • billy bob

          Raised in homophobic, christian America.

      • Ju1iaRomanov16

        No, he was a gay man.

        • billy bob

          Funny how women say they’re “bisexual” you accept that without questioning if they’re just cowards who can’t say lesbian. But when a man has 2 wives but also f***s men, he is gay because that sounds more sinister to you people.

        • Regan DuCasse

          No, he wasn’t. You’re forgetting what kind of upbringing Mateen had. There are aspects of hyper controlled religious communities in which boys who don’t like participating in the gender specified, hypermasculine rituals in so many cultures, they are abused for it.

          They are given confused, mixed signals about what makes a man, and what men are required to do. No other kinds of cultures, but strict religious ones, enforce gender along narrow definitions, regardless of the actual needs and character of those within those communities.
          We know quite well how a person committed to killing for their cause, will be among their target, hiding in plain sight.
          This has worked for terrorists VERY well so far. So if Mateen was trying to gain the trust and figure out a way to enter into places where the most gays were likely to be at one time, he managed his purpose didn’t he?
          All he had to do was pretend interest, and that’s ALL he did.
          And he managed to pull off the worst shooting spree to date, in a country where such things happen on a regular basis.

          • Thisoldspouse

            Mateen was on gay hookup apps. He was a homosexual.

          • Regan DuCasse

            So what?
            People who want to KILL gay people, tend to go where they know gay people are.
            They go to online hook up sites, to arrange meetings to murder their gay victims.
            NO one actually met up with Mateen that way, as in a date.
            He was casing, not cruising those sites, to get himself as worked up against gay men as possible.
            DUH.
            That doesn’t make HIM gay.
            Terrorists case the object of their violence, just shy of actually BEING them.
            Mateen didn’t have gay relationships, gay sex, nor actually had any friends that were gay.
            In fact, the few gay people who met him at all, were put off and knew he wasn’t genuine.
            Faking the sexual orientation is damn near impossible.
            You’re here on this site, and you still haven’t figured out the big difference between one’s orientation and simply not being in a romantic relationship with another gay person?

            See my comments above and below.
            You want him to be gay, so that would fit into your “gay people are so sick” smug prejudice you have.
            You want one of the worst shootings that happened to have been done by a gay man, because that’s how much you really hate gay people.
            You need to take comfort in him being gay, so you can point the same finger you already misjudge with.

            You really don’t know what you’re talking about, and I wish you’d stop.
            What I have to say, isn’t a matter of opinion, there are facts involved here that clearly you don’t know, and worse, don’t care to.

  • Thomas Cox

    I haven’t heard that at all…not once. Did i miss a Christian group come out and say this?

    • Ben Finger

      From watching twitter in church yesterday a number of folks were posting things. There was a pastor who came out with a video rejoicing that homosexuals he equated as pedophiles were dead. There were a few other things that have been posted too. I have been impressed though it has not been nearly as bad as some of the stuff in the past.

  • Eagle_Eyed

    Don’t fall for this nakedly anti-Christian propaganda.

    Even if the conversation were true (and I bet there is some exaggeration going on here), Christians shouldn’t bad mouth fellow Christians. If you see a judgmental and prideful attitude in a fellow believer, why not bring it up to him in private? What good is it to tell the world that you are more loving and tolerant than other Christians, unless you wish to impress the world?

    As a general rule, we need to stop being so reflexively sentimental. What the victims and the victims’ families need is not our sensitivity, but salvation that can only be obtained through Jesus. Unnecessarily worrying what the church’s enemies think about her, instead of speaking truth, is why the Western church has been so neutered.

  • pflip521

    The bigger sadness is 50 people have passed into eternity, headed to hell because they ignored or rejected the message of salvation thru Jesus. This event demonstrates that your next breath is not guaranteed. So be ready, as Paul says, in season and out of season. Maranatha!

  • Dr Stan DeKoven

    Dear Matt;

    Very well presented. Our hearts should be broken when any one dies prematurely, and for certain, it is but for the grace of God go any of us. Keep up the good work.

  • Purple516

    I believe if a drunk or a smoker can make it to heaven. Why disrupted. Gay relationship. If there the same female or male. Thats Gods place to judge. NOT OURS. THERE FUNNY AS SHIT. HAVE U EVER HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ONE. TRY IT THERE SO FILLED WITH 💘 JOKERIST AND LOVING. SOMETIME MORE THAN A STRAIGHT PERSON.

  • rockytwyman

    I do not condemn gay people. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. The Sin of homosexuality is not a greatest sin been gossiping all overeating. However, we must come to grips with the fact that the Bible says that in the last days we will experience an increase in this type of behavior . Everybody posting should read The Flood chapter in Patriarchs
    and Prophets by Ellen White online to understand the shooting in Orlando. We are at the end of time and things are going to get Worse. We must pray and fast like never before to counteract the numerous vices of the last days.

  • Tammy Rainey

    Traditionalists (who may or may not be the genuine Christians they profess to be) say quite a few wrongheaded and shameful things about LGB/T people that don’t rise to an open deceleration of “they deserved it.” There’s not a few such things in this very thread.
    Woe to the segment of the church that has been seduced into reducing all of their faith to a culture war over sexuality and sexual behavior. They drive far more souls AWAY from God than they ever draw to Him. Not that I believe anyone I could say here will be persuasive. I spent most of my life under that false doctrine and have spent several years since trying to point it out to those who still labor under it but rarely do i encounter someone given to thoughtful examination of the Traditions they’ve spent their life marinating in.

    • Sven2S47

      Please explain why trannies got the idea that you decide who is Christian and who isn’t.

      • Tammy Rainey

        possibly the same place they do.

        • eliasasm

          Right, it says here in the Gospel of Fruitcakes: “The geldings shall judge all people and consign the Christians to hell.”

    • Live2Tell

      Tommy, president of the Mississippi Trailer Park Association.

  • Danny Wheeler

    “Whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished.” Proverbs 17:5b [NIV]

    (Granted, with some people, it’s (almost) impossible not to–especially those who persist in wickedness despite countless warnings. But in this case, it rings true.)

  • Bob Tegart

    Why the attitude towards bible.belt dwellers I am from the Bible belt the thought never crossed my mind that they got what deserved the problem is the sin nature of man. Why the prejudice against the bible belt. How about dealing with the problem of Islam. Christian leaders need to stop being politically correct

    • James

      I grew up in the bible belt, as I am sure many people commenting here did, and the attitude of “They got what they deserved” is all too prevalent in the south. I can’t count the number times I’ve seen or heard southerners, religious or not, spew some of the most hateful rhetoric and actions at the LGBT community.

  • stephen e

    Ill add Matt to the list of people needing prayers and Abba’s loving touch. Beware of those who jump in with agendas so quickly and never wish to see a crises wasted. Here is another point of view that tells us of a Imam who recently came to Florida and spoke how killing gays is compassion, not a peep from Matt then, There is a Spiritual war in effect and cleaving to and staying within the presents of the Go9d who is LOVE is the only correct way to fight . The peaceful warrior does not fight against flesh and blood but against the principalities of the 2nd heaven. I hope you will watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a13Rj5yrAhg

    • James

      Did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason matt didn’t say anything was because he wasn’t aware of it?

  • The Watchman

    I’m going to put myself out on a limb here Matt, and call you out on your Bible Belt Dwellers accusation. I don’t believe you have heard anyone in the Bible Belt tell you “that those people who were killed in Orlando, Fl. got what they deserved.” I think you made it up because you like to sensationalize. I happen to be one of those Bible Belt Dwellers, as you call us, as a matter of fact I dwell in the Buckle of the Bible Belt. I am also an ordained Christian Minister, and no one that I know has ever made a statement like that. Get off you “Ex-GAY soap box. I’m really not that convinced that you are truly an Ex-Gay.

    • James

      There 121million + people in the southern united states alone. You couldn’t be qualified to say: “I don’t believe you have heard anyone in the Bible Belt tell you…” if you wanted to.
      Further, based on the touting and judgmental attitude you have, im not convinced youre a minister.

      • The Watchman

        Doesn’t matter what you think, or what you believe. So if you think Bible Belt Dwellers are so judgemental, just read what you wrote James, talk about judgemental!

        • James

          “Doesn’t matter what you think, or what you believe” the same could be said of you when we you said you’re not convinced Matt is ex-gay. Hi pot, meet kettle.

          You get called out and then try to spin it? Very effective.

    • billy bob

      OOhhh, did you just call him “gay” as an insult? Oh have you been peeping in his windows? See Matt? A lot of wasted effort for what? A fairy tale you can never win because there will always be someone else holier than thou. But since you made such a hateful statement as “Is a nightclub full of intoxicated homosexuals one of the least holy places you could enter?” I guess you can rot. The first 2 statements in that paragraph are arguable and seem to be required for so called christians to spew in everyone’s faces. They are after all in your fairy tale book. As for bars, you were the one who chose to go there 4 nights a week and I’m guessing, get intoxicated. That is on you not on anyone else. All your christian friends are here spreading their ignorance and hate. No need for you to add to it.

  • apmsegal

    You write: “Is a nightclub full of intoxicated homosexuals one of the least holy places you could enter? … I can assure you that it is”.

    Can you imagine how much pain these words are likely to cause the families of the victims? Have you no decency?

    • Sven2S47

      How shocking, you log on to a Christian blog and you hear Christians say things you don’t like.

      That’s easily solved, isn’t it?

      • apmsegal

        Matt’s insensitivity to the pain of the families is a disgrace and needs to be called out – if not by Christians then by non-Christians. And I do not believe that to abuse the victims – “intoxicated homosexuals” – is Christian at all. To associate such abuse with Christianity is a desecration of Christianity.

        • eliasasm

          Wow, glad you caught that.
          All the families of the victims read this blog word for word.
          So sensitive.

          • apmsegal

            Thanks for your comment eliasasm.

            I think it is quite possible that some of the families will read Matt’s article – just think of its title. Nothing I said implied that I thought that all of the families read this blog word for word. I realise that you are mocking me in saying this – and perhaps I deserve to be mocked.

            But given the seriousness of what is at stake, I am willing to risk looking ridiculous if speaking out of concern for the families of victims makes me look ridiculous.

          • eliasasm

            I love the way the left-wing mind works: “I’m gay. I hate Christians. That must mean that Christians hate gays. Whatever Christians do, the one goal is to upset gays. Christianity existed 2000 years to upset gays.”

            I like your worldview. So simple that 3-year-old could grasp it. “Anyone who isn’t like me is evil.”

          • apmsegal

            It’s great that you’re so full of love. Thank you, eliasasm. I love the name eiasasm.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Please tell me, because I’ve never understood, why is it that people such as yourself who obviously have NO clue what “Christianity” or being a “Christian” actually is, feel compelled to come to Christian sites and try to tell us what it is and is not?

          • apmsegal

            My motivation for contributing here is to try to allay the hurt and pain that Matt’s insensitive words might cause the families of the victims. I presume that as a Christian, Matt would claim to love these people. Yet that he writes as he does so soon after what many Christians describe as a tragedy belies such love. My intention was not to hurt Matt – I feel sorry for him; and I apologise to Matt if I have unjustly hurt him.

            I should point out that as far as I am aware, non-Christians are not told they should not contribute to this blog. But I do apologise if I have no idea what Christianity is. Sometimes I think that the respect I feel for Christianity is based on a completely false notion of what it is about.

            Many non-Muslims at the moment are currently commenting on the true nature of Islam; I have no problems with the idea of non-Muslims commenting in this way.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I do not doubt that you think your motivation behind the post was to allay the perceived hurt and pain that “might” come from what you again perceive as insensitive.

            Unfortunately, your current state of delusion continues to keep you steeped in deception and prevents you from seeing clearly. It’s called spiritual blindness. To that extent, the conclusions you draw about Matt or any other Christians for that matter, are as far removed from reality as the perceived infliction to think “might” occur and the self-motivations you claim. Once again your statement is prima facia evidence of one proclaiming “Love” while having no clue what true Love actually is.

            While it is true that Unbelievers are not prohibited from commenting on this site, it is also true that to do so is a non sequitur in and of itself when attempting to define what Christian or Christianity is. Since I can’t read your mind I can only guess that your suspicion is true and your respect for Christianity is based on a completely false notion. For God has said that Unbelievers are His enemies, the Cross is an offence to the Unbeliever and the Gospel a stench of death to them. How and why would anyone have respect for that?

            However, if you would only deny yourself and die to the idea of being your own god and your ways, surrender as a slave to Jesus Christ as Lord & Master, and then beg Him to save your so that you may follow Him all the rest of your days to bring glory to Him and The Father, then you will see the glory in the Cross and smell the sweet fragrance of the Gospel.

          • apmsegal

            You ascribe delusion and spiritual blindness to me; but you provide no evidence for these very serious attacks. Does feeling concern for the feelings of the families of the victims display spiritual blindness.

            I feel very hurt by your gratuitous insults. I have never done anything to hurt you.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            The evidence is in your own words and your self-admission that you don’t even see/understand. Your rhetorical bluster and characterization of the truth as “very serious attacks” is almost comical and probably would be if it weren’t such a sad mantra that the LGBTQABCXYZ community like to regurgitate on a constant basis these days.

            I don’t know if you’ll find this helpful or not but the “attack language” and “you hurt my feelings” gruel preached straight outta the Dan Savage bible simply falls on deaf ears for those who know the Truth. Moreover, your characterizing my comments as such does not make it so. Your delusion does not change reality and the reality is that my comments were in NO way “gratuitous insults”. Your receiving the truth and then characterizing it as “gratuitous insults” in NO way changes the fact that it is the Truth and one day you will find that out because ALL the deception, delusion, and denial WILL BE wiped away.

            If you think you “feel hurt” today, on that day, when you are hurled into the Lake of Fire to be tormented for ALL Eternity as your eternal punishment for refusing to surrender to Christ, rejecting God’s love, and holding onto worshiping yourself, you WILL know what it really and truly means to “feel hurt”.

          • apmsegal

            I believe respecting the feelings of the families of the victims is a serious matter. You are welcome to find my believing this comic. And you are welcome to believe your amusement is motivated by love.

          • eliasasm

            People with no love in their lives value the emotion of hate.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Thanks for showing that once again it’s all about one’s feelings and not Love. Those who put Love first know that sometimes it’s painful.

      • apmsegal

        So you think it is okay immediately after the Orlando shooting to abuse the victims (“intoxicated homosexuals”) and hurt the feelings of the victims’ families? And you dare to lecture me about spiritual blindness? And you dare to speak about love?

        I am beginning to understand why Christians of your kind are so defensive about what they perceive Christianity to be.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Yes I dare because I know, unlike you, what it means to be spiritually-blind and what true Love actually is.

          As for your “understanding” it simply falls under Proverbs 14:12. As for understanding Christians, until you can understand Christ you can’t understand Christians. And until you do what I previously spoke of and recommended, you’ll never understand either. 1st Cor. 2:14.

        • Brandon Burrell

          How is it “abusive” to say they were intoxicated? They were at a bar. How is it “abusive” to say they were homosexuals? It was a “gay” bar.

          • apmsegal

            I have seen it said that the reason Pope Francis did not acknowledge that it was LGBT people who were the victims of the shooting is that for him to do so would have been to draw attention to what he would see as their sin – something that would be disrespectful and hurtful. Very shortly after the shootings, Matt Moore drew attention to the homosexuality of the victims in a context where he made clear that he saw it as extreme vice. What he said was derogatory. In drawing attention to the intoxication of those in the bar – thereby portraying them very negatively – he paints with a broad brush: many people in bars are not intoxicated. In combining the two terms “intoxicated” and “homosexual” in this context he goes out of his way to be negative. Perhaps my describing his comments as abusive was excessive and unfair. But to make such derogatory comments about the victims in the immediate aftermath of their deaths, and in a context where the comments may well be read by families reeling from the shock of the deaths, strikes me as devoid of sensitivity and grace of spirit.

          • Brandon Burrell

            This is actually getting a bit silly. The title of the post says “don’t say the people in Orlando got what they deserved”. If they were intoxicated and homosexual, then they were intoxicated and homosexual. The mention of those two details is actually used to demonstrate that they, “intoxicated homosexuals” are no worse than anyone else, no more or less worthy of death than any other sinner. However, to suggest that the sin of anyone be completely ignored, because they were the victim of an awful crime, is misguided.

          • apmsegal

            Matt’s words were written on the day of the deaths of the victims. I do not believe he needed (on this day) to emphasise in the way he did what he sees as their sin. I experienced his words as stinging – so I hate to imagine their effect on any of the victims’ family members who might have chanced upon the article.

          • Brandon Burrell

            It’s true that many people in bars are not intoxicated, when they arrive. It’s not derogatory to mention that someone is drunk, or gay, if they are either, or both.

          • apmsegal

            Do you really believe that a statement has to be false to be derogatory? Also given that gay bars are places where gay people go to feel safe, I do not make the assumptions about intoxication that you do.

          • Brandon Burrell

            I don’t believe that mentioning that someone is intoxicated or homosexual is derogatory. I do believe that it could be perceived as such. I don’t believe that calling the perpetrator of this horrible crime a “murderer” is derogatory either. He’s dead too. Should we not call him a killer? And people may go to bars to feel safe, but once they get there, they drink. That’s how bars stay open. They are in the business of selling alcohol. There is no “feel safe” charge.

          • Brandon Burrell

            It should be clear that the term “intoxicated homosexuals” was placed in quotation marks because the author was dealing with a perception that the “intoxicated homosexuals” were worse than other people, something that the author, very clearly, disagrees with. I agree that one sinner is not worse than another. The fact remains, however, that the mentioning of sin is not something to avoid out of so-called respect.

  • James

    Thanks Matt. As someone who currently works in a gay night club and is a former southern baptist, I appreciate your heartfelt compassion, even in disagreeing. We need more of it.

  • Nannie

    Isn’t adultry or fornication the same sin of lust? Does it change the sin element because it’s with the same gender………not according to this narrow minded southern grandmothers Bible.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      No, it’s actually not. And, moreover, if you study the real Bible of God’s Word instead of your “narrow minded southern grandmothers Bible”, you’ll find the difference. There are other sources out online that can help you. I’d suggest reading another recent article written by Matt and also reading Dr, Robert Gagnon’s various writings on the subject.

  • Alan

    If anyone wants to read a great post from a straight Christian pastor who is solid on the bible and as a human being, check this out:
    http://www.atacrossroads.net/infuriating-thing-orlando-nightclub-massacre/

    • Alan

      Meant to include the title: The Most Infuriating Thing about the Orlando Nightclub Massacre

  • Sven2S47

    The shooter was a gay Muslim, so all the hate being directed at Christians is very bizarre.

  • Evangelist

    My wife and I tweet the Pulse Gay night club and said ,”Our hearts and prayers go out to all of you ,-the familes over the tragic lose of life and those injured in the hospital “, As a believer we can be agreeable and not agree in everything with anyone ,God called us to witness to the unsaved -not condemm them,last night on Fox News we watch a family with friends at a home being inteviewed about their relative who was killed ,it was so sad to see the family and freinds grieving over the mans death at the Pulse! No one deserves to die at the hands of a evil man ! Innocent lives were taken into eternity who had many more years to live ,human life is precious ,Jesus paid a price
    for the free gift of salvation for anyone who wants to be saved ,Im sure Jesus was very grieved over the lose of life by the hands of a Islamic home growen terrorist ! The suvivors of the attack and the familes who recieved the bad news of a loved being dead ,need our prayers in this hour !

  • Catie

    Amen, brother! Once again, you’ve hit the nail on the head!

  • thespin

    Sin is sin is sin – EXCEPT FOR FOUR sins which the Holy Bible identifies as CRYING OUT TO GOD for vengeance:

    1. Willful Murder
    Then the Lord said to Cain: “Where is Abel your brother?” He said: “I do not know. Am I my brother’s keeper?” And God said: “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground.” – Gen. 4:9-10

    The murder of Abel stands as the paradigm of “willful murder.” Note that Abel’s blood cries out to God from the earth, the necessary phrasing for this sin to be included in this category.

    2. The Sin of Sodom
    The Lord said: “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great, and their sin so grave, that I must go down and see whether or not their actions fully correspond to the cry against them that comes to Me. I mean to find out.”
    – Gen. 18:20-21

    The “Sin of Sodom” are primarily homosexual acts, perversions, or abominations, but includes also fornication and adultery …

    3. Oppression of the Poor
    “You shall neither mistreat a stranger nor oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. You shall not afflict any widow or fatherless child. If you afflict them in any way, and they cry at all to Me, I will surely hear their cry; and My wrath will become hot, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless. If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest.” – Exodus 22:21-26

    4. Defrauding Laborers of their Wages
    “Indeed the wages of the laborers who harvested your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter.” – James 5:4-5

    • Regan DuCasse

      Why can’t you answer this issue with NON BIBLICAL references?! This does NOT help. Doubling down on what the Bible says IS PART OF THE PROBLEM, not part of the solution.
      1. The solution, is believing the biological origins of sexual orientation. That we all have one, and cannot change them NOR SHOULD.

      2. We live in a world of tremendous technical, medical, and social change because of education and experience. NOBODY in the period of the Bible, would recognize this for what it is. Those who insisted on enforcing Biblical beliefs, ushered mankind into the Dark Ages. Theocratic enforcement has ALWAYS been brutal and irrational. I’d rather believe the forms of logic that dictate that because of the universality of homosexuality, and it’s neutrality since gay people can make a contribution as anyone else can, the Bible has proven anathema to the necessary progress people have made.

      3. Know the difference in which morality is how you treat another person. Knowing the difference between keeping a human being from making a contribution, as opposed to them being incapable because of personal issues, is the morally ethical actions each of us is required to make.
      Evidently, your Biblical literacy isn’t teaching the difference, and this is what I find reprehensible about the constant argument over the worth and participating of gay people and gay lives.

  • Lynn Bogoje

    Everyone here has a valid point. It’s sad what happened and to target a nightclub full of people who prefer the same sex partners. We were all created equally it shouldn’t matter the race, religion, sexual preference etc.i do believe gay pride parade need ro be ended as straight people don’t have straight pride parades. And these parades do upset some people. Some faiths believe that gays should die as broadcast by a speaker at the Orlando Mosque. You can Google it and it’s on YouTube.
    I feel sad for the victims and their families as we all live in the same world and communities and need to work together and acceot people’s differences to create harmony.

  • cmiller

    OK. I agree that no person is a greater sinner than another. I agree that the LGBT community didn’t deserve this anymore than any other community. But do you actually think that being born homosexual is a sin? If that’s the case, why are homosexuals even born? Wouldn’t your god cause them to be miscarried? I’m so tired of the “christians” of this world telling other people how to live their lives. God forbid you do something in the privacy of your own home or out on a date or anywhere that another individual finds inappropriate. Then you may be the victim of their hate, too. Grow up people. There are billions of people in this world and christianity isn’t any better than islam when christians start to point fingers and think that a community or culture is ‘decadent’ and inappropriate.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      “I’m so tired of the “christians” of this world telling other people how to live their lives.” Thank you for proving God’s Word to be true. There’s the problem in a nutshell that the Gospel addresses. All humans desire to be their own god and don’t want anybody telling them what to do.

      I’d suggest you ponder Eternity for a good while and perhaps you’ll get your eyes off this temporary time with your temporal desires and consider what is really important.

  • SAHM1974

    Over the weekend I saw an article about Catholic churches closing and the gleeful comments about “less child molesters on the street “. So it’s not a Christian thing. It’s a human thing. Or maybe just a jerk thing.

  • JCLincoln

    …………………………………….A Natural Result of the Lifestyle……………………………………………
    Please listen carefully. I don’t say, ‘The Gays In Orlando Got What They Deserved’.
    Here’s what I say. Homosexuals and sex perverts of all kinds bring on their own calamity. The homosexuality community is rampant with high drug use, higher crime, higher suicide, higher disease and a greater source of trouble to society than any other group. No-one causes these things; they are the natural result of the lifestyle that these people engage in.

    • apmsegal

      In the context of the Orlando massacre, to say that homosexuals bring on their own calamity is to say that homosexuals brought about the Orlando massacre.You blame the victims for their own deaths. If you speak in the name of Christianity, I have no hesitation to say that you desecrate Christianity. If Christianity is not desecrated by such speech, then it is beneath contempt.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        “I have no hesitation to say that you desecrate Christianity. If Christianity is not desecrated by such speech, then it is beneath contempt.”

        You don’t even see how nonsensical that is. Unbelievable. You have no problem making a judgmental characterization and definition of what Christianity is and then turnaround and admit you don’t even know what Christianity is!!

        Oh no, you’re not confused and spiritually-blind at all. Smh…

        • apmsegal

          I said: “If Christianity is not desecrated by such speech, then it is beneath contempt.”

          Contrary to what you say, my saying this is not at all the same thing as my saying I do not know what Christianity is.

          Why do you think it is okay to blatantly misrepresent what I say? And you dare to speak about the blindness of others? And you say that I speak nonsense!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I did not “blatantly misrepresent” what you said. The fact you don’t even understand what you say isn’t my problem. And, for the record, I repeat myself and say you don’t know what Christianity is because you can’t. Not until you are Born Again.

            And yes, once again, I do dare.

          • apmsegal

            Why do you lack the courage to engage with the detail of what I said?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. I always love it when those who are so quick to hurl the “you hurt my feelings” or the “why do you attack me” or the “that was so hurtful/mean/etc,.”; then turnaround and fail to see their personal ad hominem by personally attacking the character of the other.

            But I’m not surprised. It’s what Jesus would call a Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta your eye socket. I lack no courage and I did, in fact, deal with the detail of what you said. Again, the fact you can’t see that is not my problem but yours. Just as it will be your problem when you stand before Christ and have to deal with your being so foolish as to think you stand in judgment over God as to what Christianity is and whether it is beneath contempt. LOL

            And now it’s time to put an end to your silly games and exercise Matt. 7:6.

            Adios.

          • apmsegal

            You did not detail with the detail that was relevant to my explanation of why I believe that you misrepresent me.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL! Thank you! Again, always appreciate when you folks do our job for us. No need to point out your confusion. That’s for sure!

          • apmsegal

            I think it was fairly obvious what I intended to write. I meant to write: “You did not engage with the detail that was relevant to my explanation of why I believe that you misrepresent me”. Do you really believe that an easily corrected typographical error is a sign that someone is confused? And if you get joy out of laughing at such things, you are welcome to your joy.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Please pray for people to come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ as their Saviour.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yes, we definitely need to pray more for people but not for them to have knowledge of Christ. There are far too many on the Matt. 7:13-23 Road who have knowledge of Christ. We need to prayer for people to surrender their lives to Christ.

          • Brandon Burrell

            Agreed. Surrender is essential to our Lord.

      • JCLincoln

        You twist my words. If you decide to play in traffic, there are natural things that are also present in traffic……….like cars. Playing in traffic has hazards naturally associated with it. Is that simple enough for you?

        I didn’t do anything to bring about the Orlando massacre.
        God didn’t do anything to bring it about.
        And Christianity didn’t do anything to bring it about.
        Islam, Obama and Hillary can not say they had no factor, however.

        • apmsegal

          So you are saying that Pulse victims are like people who play in traffic? So just as people who play in traffic should not complain if they are run over, the Pulse victims should not complain if they get shot? If this is what you are saying, then I find it absurd and nasty. And why do you say to me (in a hectoring tone) “is that simple enough for you”? I find your analogy is bizarre – why would you think anyone would find it simple? And nothing you say suggests that I twisted your words.

          • Regan DuCasse

            Virtually all Christian based or other types of analogies (that ever paint homosexuality as a negative thing), will be wrong and bizarre. Particularly if said analogies could just as accurately apply to heterosexuals.
            Just like skin color, or gender…homosexuality has been painted with the broad brush of negativity. And it’s gay people paying for it, not only with their lives…but livelihoods, family cohesion and social mobility. There was a suicide a few weeks ago, of a 22 year old black man in GA. He was found hanging from a tree. At first, some people thought it could possibly be a hate crime.
            But it turns out that his religious Christian family wanted no part of him. He was lonesome, and felt utterly abandoned.
            Christians demand conditional acceptance, they aren’t willing to GIVE. So much for treating another as you’d be.
            And please, don’t say that he’d have found acceptance and so on, in obedience or acceptance of God and Christ.
            He’d been raised with all that his entire life. MOST people have.
            And IT DOES NOT WORK for gay people, because the conditions are contradictory, hypocritical and conflict with the natural aspects that homosexuality is.
            Which is as morally neutral as one’s color, or gender or nationality.
            This is the conflict that religious people refuse to acknowledge or reconcile. But as the bodies pile up, from suicide, or homicide…your platitudes reverb with the same tone deafness to reality.

          • I am same sex attracted. I had a lot of anger towards God about being gay, anger at the church, anger at my family. I lived the gay life, thinking there would be acceptance there, but I all I saw was drunkenness and drug addiction, and certainly no love. It was all about sex. Even my boyfriend (who said he loved me) was only using me for sex, even manipulating my belief in God for his will.
            After I came back to the Father (it was more like He came for me, because I was certainly too angry to come to Him), I saw things differently (almost dying has that effect on you!) Yes, some Christians are not willing to give acceptance, but not all. Yes, some Christians demand that one be perfect, but not all.
            To say that Christian morals do not work for gay people is predefining them, putting them in a box. Understanding the truth about God, and the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for us freed us from religion, which I believe you are talking about. I needed to be freed too. I have been freed by God, allowing me to seek Him without religion.

          • Regan DuCasse

            Bradley, appreciate your comment. Heterosexuals go through relationship dissatisfaction too. Especially minority couples like black couples in this country. Mostly because finding someone compatible, after so much social marginalization of our respective groups, gets treated badly and has, for a long time.
            All this despite the man/woman model being so supported. But with a legacy of subjugation of women.
            Some of this, has been fostered in religious communities where women especially are not supposed to speak out against any violations against them, for the greater good of that community.

            Which is essentially code for not upsetting the apple cart of the males who dominate that community.
            So where ELSE are you supposed to go, when religious communities keep telling you that Jesus and God are the ONLY paths to happiness?
            As long as you sacrifice a satisfying romantic life, to satisfy the religious community’s need to keep you where they want you as a gay person too.

            I’d be all for that kind of choice, if it had actually ever BEEN a choice before. Legacy has proven otherwise, which is why I find the whole idea of abdicating one’s gay identity for the Christian one.
            I can’t speak to the experience of actually being gay. But I am empathetic how much gay people have in common with black folks in particular on this issue.
            I’ve taken a LOT of abuse, just for being female, black..or both.
            But I will NOT capitulate to the concept that I’m not worthy, nor deserve to be treated with equal opportunity and respect, and it’s only in an INTANGIBLE expectation of sacrificing my sense of that worth, to the very people who decided otherwise before I (or you) was ever born.

        • Brandon Burrell

          Are you praying for the survivors? Are you praying for the “gay” community? These people need Jesus Christ. They need to know that they can be saved. And the can be saved.

          • AllWeNeedIsLove

            Amen to that Brandon Burrell!

          • Brandon Burrell

            Amen. Praise the Lord!

      • Oh the IRONY! A homosexual literally committed the crime. How’s it feel?

    • Sanka

      Christianity and the whole bible are immoral and depravity. There’s holy incest in the bible as when Adam and Eve had children and they slept with one another to populate the Earth or when Lot’s daughters had sex with their father and god did not get pissed for it. Slavery is condoned in the bible; women are forced to drink bitter water if the husband suspects adultery on her part; genocide; homophobia, misogyny, etc. This is the bible, one of the most immoral books one can ever read. No wonder why christians are hateful, they are exactly what their book teaches them to be.

      • JCLincoln

        You believe allot of lies about the Bible. You know first told lies about what God said? Yep, the devil, right there at the very beginning in the garden of Eden.

        I think you’re listening to the wrong people about what the Bible says. You know, other people who are sinning aren’t going to tell you the truth about the Bible. So, how do you like believing things that aren’t true from people who don’t know? Another question: why do you think there’s over 2 billion Christians in the world? Because we’re all idiots? There are Many very intelligent people who believe the Bible. Why don’t you find someone who knows what he’s talking about. You’ll probably find one in a church.

        • Joseph Robert Kennedy

          Guaranteed this person has never read a single full chapter of the bible, yet claims great expertise. Typical of demons.

          • JCLincoln

            And everybody said, “Amen”

        • Regan DuCasse

          You don’t have to believe lies about the Bible. People with a brain can look at it and see thousands of contradictions and things that don’t and CAN’T apply in the 21st century.
          We know why there were certain taboos on what foods to eat, or how certain things like non procreative sex were looked at as wrong, because back when having as many children as possible was important.
          There are moral sins, that have NEVER changed. The damage to the health and welfare of civil life, because of theft, adultery, murder, addiction, the results and the harm of these has NEVER changed.

          However, RELIGIOUSLY defined sins, have changed because mankind has progressed and changed with science, technology, and most of all, social justice.
          The creed of treating another as you’d be treated, conveys acting in an empathetic manner, which is the root of most ethical behavior.

          But the Biblical standard of guilt, (original sin), is contradicted by “innocent until proven guilty”.
          That concept is a BETTER one than original sin, because if you assume someone is guilty, they can’t and have no way of acting in their own defense, because there IS no defense for the guilty.

          I was raised Christian, and because of the inherent misogyny of just about ALL religious texts, there isn’t anything there for FEMALES of the world, who are expected to be submissive. Just as gay people are expected to be submissive too.
          And hence, females and the LGT are the most oppressed in the entire world.
          And it’s served no good purpose whatsoever.
          And because of eschewing strict adherence to such religious principles, and embracing secular law and the concept of equal opportunity and treatment under it, the world IS a better place for it.

          It’s not rocket science. But let’s not pretend that the Bible or any other religious texts has the same impact or should, that it did centuries ago.
          Centuries ago, those who most enforced the Christian religion, led Europe into the Dark Ages.
          And decimated many indigenous cultures.
          NO one had to lie to me about the Bible. I can see for myself what a weaponized holy text can do to human life.

          • JCLincoln

            When you say, ‘there are thousands of contradictions in the Bible’, you are absolutely correct……that is…..to an unbeliever. Because…..there is a difference between the believer and the non-believer. The non-believer CAN NOT see the spiritual terms that the Bible speaks in, so they appear as contradictions.

            I don’t argue contradictions…..I ask, “do you like when people lie to you?”

            Well……do you?

          • Regan DuCasse

            Well, you handily dismissed what I know to be true OF the Bible. That’s not the difference between a believer and non believer. That’s the logical difference between not as illiterate and under the controls that people enacted when those books were written.
            I’m an analytical person by nature. I’m also a female. The Bible has been enforced and mostly MEN have entitled themselves to it’s interpretation to the detriment of people like those who are gay and transgender.
            The nature of gender, isn’t so rigid, nor narrow as the Bible keeps defining it.
            The Bible was meant to simplify things for people who either couldn’t or weren’t allowed to ask too many questions.
            The Bible can only be analyzed so far, and it’s intentions are clear enough. But BELIEF in it, seems a rather strange thing to do, in a world that’s gotten smaller and humankind more experienced since then.
            And you have the legacies of discrimination, distrust and hostility, PROMPTED by the Bible, but the Bible itself was WRONG about.
            And distinctly about homosexuality and women.
            I know what it says, but deeper analysis and experience contradicts what it says.

            You didn’t address what I said about moral sins, and religious sins and their DISTINCT differences among civil society.
            I see it as a foundation, for the people of it’s time. But many things can’t apply now. And homosexuality is one of them.
            For example: birth control, or non procreative sex is a sin, period in the Bible and other texts. And there are believers that want everyone to BELIEVE that it’s unhealthy.
            Well, that’s not true.
            Individuals are free to believe it. And they can conduct THEIR lives without birth control or non procreative sex, but better minds know differently.
            Autopsy and blood and organ donations are considered violations of the body, dead and living.
            But such sins have proven to be life affirming, and has advanced medical knowledge and human contact.
            I just read about a little boy who was given a double hand transplant and a fireman a face transplant.
            Now some people might be sickened by that notion as vivisection. And certainly the religious have eschewed it, the way they have stem cells.
            But that little boy can hug his mother and sister (a goal he had), and the fireman can walk the streets without being stared at and people afraid of him.
            So when, when, WHEN the hell, are people going to get the hell over homosexuality being a PROBLEM and not a simple variation on human sexual orientation it is. The way we know that we all have blood, but different types thanks to modern medicine and social justice too.

            I don’t have to believe the Bible, except only as a journal of what people cared about and believed THEN.
            Even with all this tech in media, a lot has been gotten wrong. So in an age of immense illiteracy, and experience, no doubt the Bible got a lot wrong too.
            But as I said, some things will always be wrong against another person, and the result and damage never different.

  • Terry Yahnke

    For All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. If we say we have not sinned, we deceive ourselves…but by faith in Christ …. His sacrifice for our sin, comes the grace of God. God forgives us our sin and cleanses us from all unrighteousness…no matter who we are or what we have done. Yes, He calls us to repentance and works in all calling us to ‘follow Him’. But each man’s journey is between him and God. …so judge not..lest ye be judged, God says. The greatest commandment He made clear..”Love one another as I have loved you.”

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    “It is only against the backdrop of divine wrath that the full significance of God’s love can be truly understood. That is precisely the message of the cross of Jesus Christ. ” John MacArthur “The God Who Loves, 10-11.”

  • LogosAletheia

    Still, Matt, an elephant in the room is that the gays at the gay club were pursuing a gay lifestyle. That is different that the events Jesus spoke of. If the gays weren’t pursuing an immoral wicked lifestyle, they wouldn’t have been at the gay club. The Orlando event is still a deep tragedy. Yet when will we as Christians and as Americans come to understand that pursuing a sinful lifestyle in a place dedicated to the pursuit of open, rampant, prideful sin exposes a person to a heightened level of being unsafe on many levels? I’m not wishing any should perish but that all should come to repentance. But sin has consequences, lest we forget.

    • James

      Do you pursue a straight lifestyle? No, you just live it. Gays don’t got to a gay bar to become more gay or be more gay, they go there because they’re supposed to be safe. A place where they don’t have to fear for their physical well being or being assaulted verbally or otherwise. You realize gay bars exist because religious and political fanatics pushed us away and hate us. They forced us into isolation, to separate ourselves just so we can be safe. Churches, homes, communities, bars, restaurants, even streets are dangerous for gay people in America.

      • 1an Cooper

        Wow, that is seriously out of touch with reality.

        Btw, the Orlando shooter was a GAY man.

      • Ummmm YES! I pursue a straight lifestyle. But that’s just me….I prefer to believe that everything about me is me because of the CHOICES I MAKE. I am solely responsible for me, for what I do, and for how I impact others. This includes my sexual choices and or pursuits. But hey…to each his own brother.

  • Added here from my previous post below, Homosexuality does become a greater sin than all the rest…when it is celebrated. That is what makes the difference, and why God deals with it in a more harsh manner then the rest of the sin on this planet. When the Children of Israel celebrated their sin and danced around the Golden Calf, they were struck dead. When leaders of a country pass laws that allow people to celebrate sin and by pass the conviction of that sin..look out..God’s judgment is around the corner..and those he chooses to judge will not escape.

  • JCLincoln

    I pray for the homosexual community in Orlando, I pray for it everywhere. I pray they all come to Christ someday and get saved from their sin. As it is now, why did the Lord God do what He did to Sodom and Gomorrah?
    Come on, that’s not a difficult question. And in what kind of activity has there been a great rise in lately? ………….That’s the problem, homosexuals want to get their little rocks off any way they want and then think they can demand God’s blessing.

  • Sanka

    All Abrahamic religions bring moral misery and disaster. These religions deserve no respect because they unjustly dehumanise people with unfounded premises.

    No more religion!

  • The Milkman

    This article and the disgusting commentary underneath it are the reason why I (and most people I know) will never again set foot in a church for worship. Great job, guys. Keep it up and churches will continue to lose membership. I wonder how long it’ll take before we start seeing American churches looking like those in Europe… empty cavernous anachronisms populated by the elderly and those who show up once for a wedding.

    I don’t care what book you use to justify it. People know hatred and lies when they hear them. And I hear you loud and clear.

    • Thisoldspouse

      You were likely never going to walk into a church anyway.

      • The Milkman

        And with this comment, you have shown that you have no idea who I am.

  • Regan DuCasse

    I just knew you’d put in your two cents on this Matt. And sure enough, you say that Christians shouldn’t say that gay people deserved it.
    And then go on to, several times, to reiterate what a sin being gay is. Especially drinking, in a club.
    It doesn’t matter that the shooter was Muslim, he was TAUGHT to believe exactly what you said.
    And keep saying.
    That no gay life matters, unless they aren’t ‘sinning’ in order to make themselves less offensive to those who wish them from the Earth.
    The point is, relegating yourself into a socio/political situation in which you aren’t challenging what is religious authority over your and other gay lives.
    Our nation, and many others, aren’t just a bullet away from making a gay person non existent.
    The point is, homosexuality is offensive to those who demand to have authority over people whose lives have more legitimacy to exist, than religion actually does.
    The inherent misogyny in the world’s most influential religions, is what is offended by homosexuality and being transgender.
    You cannot try to defend being gay, on condition of celibate, moral neutrality, and at the same time, give permission to the very religious ideology, that doesn’t believe homosexuality has any place among human life, let alone created or accepted by God.
    It’s gay people who existed first, before anyone religious decided to be offended by gay people. Not the other way around.
    “Don’t utter a word in condescending judgement…”.
    But you know that happens TO gay people all the time. And then those words turn into murderous actions, by the less restrained. Who are taught over and over that homosexuality cannot, and should not exist.
    Therefore, no gay person can.
    You contradict yourself, over and over. As Christian contradict themselves over and over again.
    And dare to utter any false words after a horrific act of violence as this.
    You’re part of the problem Matt.
    And dishonest about why.
    That is the most frustrating thing about you and your supporters.
    A good friend of mine, lost his cousin in that massacre. He himself is gay, and a talented singer actor who has been very open and proud.
    His cousin who died, was the mother of eleven children, she was a two time cancer survivor and was serving in the military. She died saving the life of her gay son, in that club.
    Some Christians haven’t been so restrained about what they think those people deserved, who died and were injured.
    But they know there are untethered violent people who are willing to commit the same crime. They’ve gotten the same message their whole lives this Muslim man did.
    The moral cowardice is the same too.
    On your part as well. You have pulled the trigger on your own orientation, and killed it. At least you assert you have.
    A living neutered gay man.
    Or a dead, out and proud one.
    Either way, you’re not fighting for your orientation or that of your gay brethren.

  • Mesa

    It’s secualrism that stops Christians. If we lived in a Christianity-based society LGBT people would be again persecuted and killed by Christians like they did in the past.

    Do never think Christians as a collective have reformed their way of thinking. The bible inspires their hatred.

    All Abrahamic religions are hateful at the core.

  • Thisoldspouse

    People are anguishing over the people killed in this nightclub, completely missing the fact that 100’s of thousands have been killed needlessly by HIV/AIDS and other deadly STI’s because sexual libertines like homosexuals insist on this being a “right,” even going so far to say that it is a “right” NOT to disclose an infection status to a potential sexual partner. Now, activist homosexuals are demanding to donate blood into the public supply on the same basis as the general population when homosexual men are THOUSANDS of times more likely to be infected with these deadly diseases. Even changing a lifetime ban to ONE YEAR is not enough for them.

    Sorry, no pity from me – at all. These people are wanton murderers, no different from Mateen.