Are LGBT People Being Damaged By Traditional Christian Teaching?

I have always held a soft spot in my heart for the LGBT community—which was once my community—and have labored vigorously to write about sexuality and faith with gentleness and respect. I’ve never hammered down on gays with hellfire and brimstone; I’ve pled with them to receive the love of Jesus and relinquish their sins. I’ve never demonized people who experience same sex attraction or gender dysphoria; I’ve been clear that every human being is corrupt and in desperate need of transformation. I have publicly criticized the whole “pray the gay away” mess, being honest with my readers about my own ongoing experience of same-sex attraction. And I have continually called professing Christians to repent of their fear and hatred of the LGBT community.

Nevertheless, many voices in this community sharply declare me a self-loathing bigot. They say the words I write about faith and sexuality are perhaps the vilest, most damaging thing a struggling LGBT person could run across. They tell me that my “good news” is a damnable message that has led thousands of LGBT teens into depression and even to commit suicide. They say that I have gay blood on my hands—that the brand of Christianity I promote is directly responsible for the inner turmoil that has led so many gays to their self-inflicted deaths.

I want to spend the rest of this article speaking directly to these people—to LGBT men, women, and allies who despise the Christian message and vilify those who proclaim it. Have you ever pondered the possibility that your message may be the damaging one? Have you ever considered that it could be your beliefs that are wrong and harmful to people who experience same-sex attraction and gender dysphoria? You say my beliefs are flimsy because they are informed by a 2,000-year-old book. But what informs your beliefs? I know you say your worldview is grounded in biology and science—but is it really? You defend the moral goodness of homosexual behavior by arguing that a gay person is biologically hardwired to be attracted to the same sex. You say the gay person must live according to their supposed biological “wiring” in order to live a full and healthy life. Yet, when it comes to transgenderism, you say people should live in contradiction to their biological anatomy in order to live a full and healthy life. Maybe it’s just me, but that seems inconsistent.

Can you and I just admit that, at the end of the day, we both believe what we believe because it feels right to us? You look at the I decide what is best for me message of postmodern individualism, and it resonates with you. I look at the God decides what is best for me message of the age-old Scriptures, and it resonates with me. Personally, I think there is a plethora of objective evidence that supports the legitimacy of the Christian faith. But for the sake of this argument, I’m willing to say that you and I both believe what we believe simply because it’s what feels right to us. So, if we’re standing on equal ground as far as our reasons for believing what we believe, how can you assume with absolute certainty that I’m wrong and you’re right? There isn’t any objective, beyond-the-shadow-of-a-doubt “proof” that your beliefs are correct, is there? I know you don’t think there’s any chance you could be wrong, but just entertain this self-loathing bigot for a couple of minutes.

Let’s say there is a God, and, for our own good and flourishing, he has set boundaries around human sexuality. Let’s say “sin” isn’t just a figment of the religious imagination, but there really is something inside of every person that inclines us toward evil and self-destruction. Let’s say homosexual desires and gender dysphoria are byproducts of the sin within us, and as we indulge these distorted thoughts and desires, we intensify the sickness of our souls. If these things are true—and I believe they are—isn’t the message you propagate the harmful one?

When you encourage people to embrace and satisfy their homosexual desires (sin), aren’t you the one pushing people toward a “lifestyle” that is destructive to their overall wellbeing? When you encourage people to define themselves according to their gender dysphoria, aren’t you the one pushing them away from what is good (God) and right (the way he designed them) and toward increased confusion and dysfunction? If the God of the Bible is the true God and the content of the Bible is legitimate, aren’t you the one who is persuading people away from vitality, joy, and freedom—and perhaps fueling depression, substance abuse, and even suicide in the LGBT community?

And let’s say the cure for the human condition is found in Jesus. Let’s say he sacrificed himself to cleanse us from the guilt of sin, break us free from sin’s dominion, and, one day, free us from the presence of sin. Let’s say that cherishing Jesus, basking in his love for us, and denying our fleshly inclinations is where the most robust vitality, joy, and freedom are found. Isn’t the message of Christianity, then, the healing message? When followers of Jesus encourage LGBT persons to trust in Jesus and walk in ongoing repentance, are we not encouraging them to live in a way that is beneficial to their overall wellbeing? If separation from God is the deepest cause of all brokenness—including depression, addiction, and suicidal tendencies—isn’t being reconciled to God through Jesus exactly what the depressed, the addicted, and the suicidal need most?

I can only speak for myself, but living in submission to the Savior and enjoying his love for me have brought greater peace, happiness, and emotional stability into my life than embracing my homosexual feelings ever did. Do I have to resist strong desires on a daily basis? Yes. Is it sometimes extremely difficult? Sure. But doing so hasn’t been the doom and gloom experience many allege it to be. I don’t spend my days obsessing about same-sex desires and feeling miserable because I can’t pursue them; I spend my days obsessing about Jesus and feeling thankful that I get to pursue him! Living in relationship with a good and loving God has been a far more fulfilling experience than living according to my broken propensities. Believing and obeying the gospel have not caused me to be depressed or addicted; I was depressed and addicted when I was rejecting the gospel and embracing my sinful desires. Rather, walking in faith and repentance has set me free from depression and addiction!

I’m not asking you to admit, right now, that you’re wrong and all the Jesus stuff is right. I’m just asking you to begin considering the possibility. Could the message you think is so harmful actually be the message of healing that the LGBT community needs most?

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  • Kathy Snyder

    Thank you for being so transparent in your struggle and in your desire to please God and not man. Until God transforms the heart, people are going to hate your message. But we all need to be faithful messengers of the good news, with love and compassion, because we don’t know who God will save or when.

  • Brandon Burrell

    What a beautiful post Matt. I almost have tears in my eyes writing this. I, personally, am grateful for your ministry. I know many others are too. You remain in my prayers.

  • Andrea

    Thanks Matt for being so transparent and unbiased. I’m so grateful Jesus has brought your voice to the Christian and LGBT community alike.

  • Lyle Nelson

    Matt, I wish I had seen this article back in the days when I was in the gay lifestyle some 13-14 years ago. I think it would have turned my thoughts in the right direction more quickly. I struggled and struggled and struggled with whether homosexuality was right in God’s eyes. I so wanted it to be, and so I went ahead and pursued it, but there was often this “still, small voice” that I now know was the Holy Spirit trying to get my attention. Over time, that voice became louder and louder.

    Initially, I bought into the lies of pro-gay theology that involved supposed mistranslations of the homosexuality-condemning Biblical passages. I was not a Bible scholar, particularly in the original Biblical languages, so who was I to know for certain who was right? And somehow the idea that marriage and sex was to be restricted to one man married to one woman was never addressed in these critiques.

    So I sat myself down in front of my computer and began to research the arguments for and against the acceptability of homosexuality. I basically set aside the Biblical arguments, feeling I was unqualified to judge between the two alternative views. But I looked at things like the incidence of various diseases transmitted by certain homosexual activity (other than HIV). I remember listening to a sermon on the radio where a pastor talked about having a conversation with his 9-year old daughter about homosexuality; the daughter had looked at a couple of anatomically-correct plastic male dolls and innocently observed “But the parts don’t fit!” The wisdom of an innocent child!

    And I thought about the amount of brokenness I had seen in the gay world, remembering various gatherings where I thought “I don’t belong with any of these people!” Of course everyone is broken in some way, but this seemed to be extreme. “Gay”, other than in a very false-mask way, seemed to be the last term I would use to describe these people.

    And putting this altogether, in what I can only describe as a “Holy Spirit goose bump moment”, I KNEW what I needed to do, even though I really couldn’t explain exactly why. The still small voice had become too loud, and I knew I had to obey it and walk away, and so I did.

    As you said, Matt, the road of celibacy is not always an easy one to travel either. But anytime I am tempted to throw the towel in and give up, I remember the things I outlined above and think “I can’t give up; I know too much now!”

    • Barb

      God bless you!!! So glad you are finally FREE from that destructive life!

  • what sort of drug is milo on

    “Have you ever pondered the possibility that your message may be the damaging one? ”

    AKA “no John, it is YOU who are the zombie!!1!”

    Look, the difference between you and me is that I’m not trying to impose my beliefs upon you. Yes, I think your attitude is harmful and most likely isn’t beneficial for your mental health, but I don’t advocate passing laws that make it illegal for you to disavow/disengage from “the gay lifestyle” if that’s what you want. People like you, on the other hand, DO want to impose your beliefs on me when you try to make gay marriage illegal and fight against anti-discrimination/bullying measures protecting LGBT people and lament decisions like Lawrence v. Texas. (Granted, I don’t recall if you’re against the last two but I do remember your salty blog post after Obergefell.)

    Please stop with this disingenuous false equivalency.

    • Judy Ann Lyoness

      I think you are confusing the message of the gospel with the message of making laws to curb sin. For example, while alcohol is not good for your health in large amounts, banning it never did any good. Likewise, banning sexual activity on any level never changed anyone for the better or the worse. People do what they want to, and moralizing in our laws only puts added burdens on people. Jesus never tried to change laws. He changes hearts. That is why Jesus came, and why he hung on the cross to offer reconciliation to God. While I think that changing laws to allow things that violate God’s laws would be good for society, I do not want to see a return to law. Instead, I concentrate on seeing people saved, healed, and delivered. So did Jesus.

    • thatguyoverthere

      Marriage(man and woman) is equal. If you want to be with you’re gay partner, most western countries accept that. I’m against calling it a marriage as a same-sex couple isn’t the same as an opposite sex couple. While I’m against homosexuality, I think gay couples should be recognised and in quite a few countries, they can be, through civil unions.

    • Adam Jenson

      Funny how imposing gay marriage on a nation is NOT forcing a belief on someone but the opposite is. Funny how the forced labor (i.e. slavery) of having a baker make a cake for a gay wedding is not forcing a belief on someone but the opposite is.

  • Taylor

    “Could the message you think is so harmful actually be the message of healing that the LGBT community needs most?”

    Frankly, I find nothing healing in believing in a message that you can not possible prove, is even true.

    Live your life however you want, believe your unprovable beliefs, just don’t expect everyone to hop aboard your little faith train.

    When you can actually logically explain why an ALL KNOWING GOD, knowingly creates people that he KNOWS will be gay, when he doesn’t have to create them at all, then maybe you’ll get somewhere in attempting to convince me the that “message” you want me to heed is actually worthwhile.

    Until then, not so much. I simply will not be controlled by a belief based on faith as opposed to fact!

    • Bill Bushey

      I’m confused on a couple of points here:

      1.) If you insist on provable evidence, then why would you support homosexuality? I mean, they say they’re “born that way,” but to this day, there’s no science to prove that. In fact, there’s science that proves it’s NOT hereditary.

      2.) Segueing into my second question, if people aren’t born gay, then they have to have picked it up sometime during their lives, so it becomes clear that God doesn’t MAKE people gay. He didn’t make us into puppets, either. Why bother creating people and then control their lives and their decisions? Wouldn’t you resent God so much more if you KNEW He was keeping you from making your own choices in life? God’s not cruel, because He left CLEAR instructions on how to live the right way, but He also gave us the free will to choose whether or not we want to follow His advice.

      • Taylor

        “If you insist on provable evidence, then why would you support homosexuality? I mean, they say they’re “born that way,” but to this day, there’s no science to prove that. In fact, there’s science that proves it’s NOT hereditary.”

        I am my own proof. I know for a fact that I did not choose to be attracted to someone of the same sex. If you say that I chose my sexual orientation, it is up to you to prove it. It’s not up to me to disprove it.

        “Segueing into my second question, if people aren’t born gay, then they have to have picked it up sometime during their lives, so it becomes clear that God doesn’t MAKE people gay. He didn’t make us into puppets, either. Why bother creating people and then control their lives and their decisions?”

        LOLOL….your sexual orientation isn’t something you “pick up” like the flu!! It’s not communicable. At least mine wasn’t. I’m pretty sure, I never passed on being gay to any one else.

        If it’s something that can be “picked up” where did the first homosexual come from, and where did he “pick it up”??

        If your god is all knowing, then he most certainly did make people who he knew were going to be gay, even before they existed. You don’t get to pick and choose when your god is all knowing and when he isn’t. He knew that I was going to be gay, he had the choice to not allow for my creation, if he didn’t like the fact that I was going to be gay, but he allowed me to be born instead.

        Which leads me to believe that 1) he doesn’t care that I’m gay, or 2) he purposefully created me, knowing that I would end up in hell.

        Why on earth would I worship a being that creates people who he knows are going to be tortured for all eternity when he doesn’t have to create them at all, and absolutely no one would know the difference?

        If your all knowing god purposefully creates people that he knows are going to end up being tortured…then your god is not loving, kind or benevolent. He’s a sadist!

        “Wouldn’t you resent God so much more if you KNEW He was keeping you from making your own choices in life? God’s not cruel, because He left CLEAR instructions on how to live the right way, but He also gave us the free will to choose whether or not we want to follow His advice.”

        If I didn’t know that I was able to make choices….why would I resent your ridiculous god for not allowing me to do so?

        You can only resent not having something, if you realize you don’t have it. If no one had choice, then no would would know that choice even existed. Problem solved!

        • Barb

          Actually, homosexual behavior CAN be “picked up” – Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.” (I Corinthians 15:33) The sexual revolution in this country that started decades ago has resulted in a breakdown of previous codes of moral decency. Thus, cultural influences have created a moral free-fall that is spiraling out of control. It’s everywhere! On TV and in movies especially. Young people are easily influenced and constantly bombarded with ungodly messages about their sexuality.

          • Taylor

            And where did the 1st homosexual, pick up this behavior??

          • Barb

            From the sin nature that is within every human being. Without God’s mercy and intervention, we all are lost. That’s why Jesus came – to seek and save the lost. Lostness is in all of us and manifests itself in various wrong behaviors, not just sexual acts.

          • Taylor

            Sorry, but that’s not “picking it up” that’s being born with it.

            So, you’ve actually made the case that gay people are born that way! Thanks!

            And you continue to ignore that your ALL KNOWING GOD knows who is going to accept Jesus, before he ever creates them. If he doesn’t know this, then he is NOT all knowing.

            Is he, or isn’t he?

          • Barb

            Yes, we are all born with a sin nature. But there are also strong cultural influences that factor in as well. When I was a teen, I hung out with the wrong crowd and did some foolish things like getting drunk, etc. I knew in my heart they were wrong, but did them anyway. That did not excuse my behavior, but the more I did them, the more excuses I made for myself.

            That’s what gays are doing by demanding marriage rights and balking at anyone who dares to disagree with their lifestyle. They are endlessly justifying themselves and demanding the right to continue practicing what they know in their hearts is wrong. The Supreme Court may have decided by one vote – due to political pressure – to grant that right last year, but the Supreme Judge of the Universe is the One to whom even the distinguished judges on that court will answer to someday.

          • Taylor

            I have no interest in your life history…I don’t care who you hung out with or what you did.

            The idea that you think I have to justify myself to you, borders on the ludicrous, why in the world would I have to justify my existence or my sexual orientation, or what consenting adult I choose to have sex with TO YOU???

            You can disagree with my so called “lifestyle” all you want. I DO NOT CARE..you aren’t the first and you won’t be the last! What you can’t do is insist that the laws of this country that are based on our Constitution, should be able to discriminate against me, because you don’t like who I’m sexually attracted to. Your church can discriminate against me, all it wants. But, my country doesn’t have that option. The government has to follow the Constitution not the laws of a being that you can not prove even exists.

            I’m not worried about the supposed “Supreme Judge of the Universe” because I don’t believe such a being exists.

            And you have absolutely ZERO proof that anyone will have to answer to any God, someday. All you have is a BELIEF that that will happen and a belief is NOT the same thing as proof.

            Knock yourself out, I don’t care if that’s what you believe, as long as you don’t expect me to believe it too.

    • Noel

      Hi Taylor,
      I am not sure why people assume following Jesus has nothing to do with facts. I suppose people have heard Christians say “just have faith” one too many times, instead of admitting they don’t have the answers to every question (after all, who could?). I think my faith stems from both my experiences and facts. Following Jesus is like eating. Fully understanding it is impossible until you have experienced it for yourself. You can learn about food, smell it, touch it, but not until you actually put food inside your stomach do you understand eating.
      We live our lives based in things that are not absolutely proven true. Many times, science even has to retract what it once said, because new evidence surfaces. But we have faith in these theories because they match our experiences with life.
      Personally, I believe God created people he knew would be gay for the same reason he created everyone. Compared to God’s holiness, we all screw-up in many ways; we are ALL at fault. But God wants us to have the free will to choose or reject him. He created you, he created me, because he loves us. And he wants us to choose to love him, so he is giving us a chance.
      Also, if God is really in control of the big-picture, he can work through people who are not Christians to accomplish his plans. Because the Bible says we are all made in his image, we are all capable of reflecting God’s goodness, his kindness, patients, love… I believe everyone is here for a reason.
      PS–If you want a resource about logically proving the existence of a Creator, without bringing in religion, CS Lewis does it remarkably well in the beginning of “Mere Christianity.”

      • Taylor

        “Personally, I believe God created people he knew would be gay for the same reason he created everyone. ”

        Which really doesn’t answer the question. Why create something that is an abomination to you, and who you know will be condemned for all eternity to suffer in hell, when you don’t have to create it at all? It’s not like an all knowing god, doesn’t know who’s going to end up in hell, BEFORE they take their first breath.

        If you want to worship a god that would do such things, knock yourself out. But I prefer not to worship sociopaths.

        Your god knows how we are going to use this supposed “FREE WILL” before he ever allows for our creation. If he doesn’t then he is NOT all knowing. So, which is it…he he all knowing or is he not?

        LOL – C.S. Lewis is the platitude king. No thanks, I’ve read more C.S. Lewis that anyone should have to read.

    • Liveth

      “AKA “no John, it is YOU who are the zombie!!1!”‘

      “Live your life however you want, believe your unprovable beliefs, just
      don’t expect everyone to hop aboard your ‘little faith train’.”

      This is something I see 99% of the time, even with close friends who prefer same-sex relationships. They either quickly turn on you with intense dislike, get sarcastic or rude. It’s the same across continents I see.

      And no, I’m not not speaking from experience and from a bubble in my head. I’m speaking from experience, I’m only lucky to have gotten out when my conscience wasn’t dead to this wrong. So I know. I also turned defensive and argumentative when faced with the truth. Adam did, Eve, did…it’s human nature.

      What’s my point here? Let’s make our point without trying hard to belittle someone else’s, even if they’ve done that to yours. It’s called being mature, calm and put together. The world needs it more than anything else these days.

      “When you can actually logically explain why an ALL KNOWING GOD, knowingly creates people that he KNOWS will be gay, when he doesn’t have to create them at all, then maybe you’ll get somewhere in attempting to convince me the that “message” you want me to heed is actually worthwhile.”

      I think you should read the bible sometime, if anything, it makes for fun reading and getting a little perspective on why humans are the way they are. God didn’t make robots unfortunately, as much as he could, he wanted and still wants people who would love him for who he is and not what he gives.

      You wouldn’t want to voodoo (I’m from the African continent and it does happen, my grandpa was a first hand example, but that’s another story all together) someone into loving you I’m sure. It’s never the same thing when they love you for you and all the junk you carry.

      That’s more than anything one area where we were made in God’s image.

      Now, I figure that God knew Adam and Eve would fall into sin still, he kind of held out hoping they’d stick with him the whole 9 yards. Now that they didn’t stick with him and sinned, our very natures are sinful. It cannot be helped, it’s like impurity in a solid mineral like gold, it cannot be helped but needs going through the fire for a really long period of time to get rid of every impurity.

      And nobody said getting put through a furnace was fun.

      “When you can actually logically explain why an ALL KNOWING GOD,
      knowingly creates people that he KNOWS will be gay”

      For some people, it’s preferring same-sex relationships, for others, it’s being a serial womanizer aka fornicator, for others it’s stealing, gossiping…it’s all sin, none greater than the other. So it’s not about ‘creating people he knows will be, as you call it, gay’, it’s the same sinful nature manifesting in different ways.

      God exists outside of time, he created time itself; so the ‘creation’ of human beings through reproduction is part of what has been etched into the time warp he’s created (watch the Matrix for further elucidation). There are laws, example, you jump up, you’ll come down, you sow a seed, you get a yield, you do good, you get good. There are however anomalies, and this is where sometimes the spiritual, and maybe an advanced knowledge of the physical (e.g, knowledge on how to make dessert sand fertile for planting) comes to play. The knowledge is there within that time warp, you just have to find it.

      So God does not create someone he knows will be gay, your creation via reproduction is etched in time. He’s only hoping you’ll find knowledge of the spiritual and come to love him.

      “when he doesn’t have to create them at all, then maybe you’ll get somewhere in attempting to convince me the that “message” you want me to heed is actually worthwhile.”

      Matt can’t convince you, it’s not his job, he’ll fail. Only the God’s spirit can however, the only thing God can’t do is change a man’s mind. God will try, but he’s not an enemy who’ll beat you into submission (this is also a point to note for all those churches making same-sex couples miserable by cursing on them/all those governments throwing them in jail. You give more power to the Resistance when you try to wipe them out – blacks, Jews, slaves…plus it’s a sin).

      If Matt’s beliefs are total shambles and he finds out that there is in fact, no God when he dies, he really won’t have lost much, just his enjoyment of what he used to term freedom. But, if he decides that there isn’t and he dies and finds out there is, then, well…

      • Taylor

        If you do not like how I respond, that’s fine…but I’m not going to alter my responses to suit your delicate sensibilities.

        “I think you should read the bible sometime, if anything, it makes for fun reading and getting a little perspective on why humans are the way they are. God didn’t make robots unfortunately, as much as he could, he wanted and still wants people who would love him for who he is and not what he gives.”

        LOL…so typical. Anyone who disagrees with a Christian, just needs to read the bible. Well…SURPRISE! I spent the first 30 years of my life attending Sunday School and Church and Choir Practice and Vacation Bible School and Wednesday Night Youth Fellowship. I still have the bible that I was presented for 5 years perfect attendance at Sunday School. So, your pathetic claim that all I need to do is read the bible, is utter BS!

        As long as you claim that your god is all knowing, then you have to admit that your god knows, who is going to “love” him before he ever creates them. Which means that he knowingly creates people that he knows are going to end up in hell, because they either don’t believe in his existence, or because they are gay, or because, they just don’t LOVE him. It’s a bit counter productive to create people that you know aren’t going to love you, if love is what you want.

        “Now, I figure that God knew Adam and Eve would fall into sin still, he kind of held out hoping they’d stick with him the whole 9 yards. Now that they didn’t stick with him and sinned, our very natures are sinful. It cannot be helped, it’s like impurity in a solid mineral like gold, it cannot be helped but needs going through the fire for a really long period of time to get rid of every impurity.”

        More BS!! Either all knowing means all knowing or it doesn’t. You can’t say that he “kind of held out hoping they’d stick with him” If your god is all knowing, He knew if they would “stick with him” or not BEFORE he ever created them.

        The dogma of your ridiculous religion has made your god all knowing and all powerful. You don’t get to ignore that dogma, when it’s convenient for your argument.

        “For some people, it’s preferring same-sex relationships, for others, it’s being a serial womanizer aka fornicator, for others it’s stealing, gossiping…it’s all sin, none greater than the other. So it’s not about ‘creating people he knows will be, as you call it, gay’, it’s the same sinful nature manifesting in different ways.”

        More double talk…it doesn’t matter what the supposed sin is…the fact remains, your GOD knows each and every sin someone is going to commit before they even exist. And knowing that he goes ahead and creates them anyway, when he doesn’t have to create them at all. The question you can’t answer is WHY?? Why does a loving god create people that HE KNOWS are going to end up being tortured for all eternity. There is absolutely NOTHING loving about that. It’s sadistic!

        “(watch the Matrix for further elucidation)”

        LOL…the MATRIX is a work of fiction!

        “So God does not create someone he knows will be gay, your creation via reproduction is etched in time. He’s only hoping you’ll find knowledge of the spiritual and come to love him.”

        Then your god is NOT all knowing. Either ALL KNOWING means ALL KNOWING or it doesn’t. Since your god is also ALL POWERFUL, he should also have the POWER to know what everyone is going to do and be before he ever creates them.

        Is your god All Knowing and All Powerful or isn’t he?

        “Only the God’s spirit can however, the only thing God can’t do is change a man’s mind.”

        Then he’s not All Powerful!

        “If Matt’s beliefs are total shambles and he finds out that there is in fact, no God when he dies, he really won’t have lost much, just his enjoyment of what he used to term freedom. But, if he decides that there isn’t and he dies and finds out there is, then, well…”

        Using the threat of the unknown is hardly a threat, to someone who doesn’t buy into your whole…heaven or hell paradigm. Got anything else?

    • Noel

      But your question is a good one. Christians also struggle with the answer to it.

    • Eric

      Taylor,

      Your statement “I find nothing healing in believing in a message that you can not possible prove” brings with it the implication that your current belief system has been proven true.

      Christianity, to be sure, cannot be logically proven to be true. However, that is the same for any system of belief, not just Christianity. At it’s root, ANY belief is founded on assumptions. Even Evolution, which is held up by so many in the scientific community as the origins of life, is based on assumptions. In the end we all CHOOSE what we want to believe.

      You say “I simply will not be controlled by a belief based on faith as opposed to fact,” but the choice that you make to accept the underlying assumptions of your beliefs is an act of faith. There may be factual evidence behind your beliefs, but that evidence must be interpreted and is easily shaped by your underlying assumptions. One person, assuming there is no supernatural, looks at the fossil record (seeing that there is a great deal of commonality between the species), and comes to the conclusion that everything evolved from a single organism. Another person, accepting that there is a God who created the universe, can look at the same fossil record and see the commonality as evidence that there was a common Creator. Two people looking at the same facts and coming to vastly different conclusions based on their underlying assumptions.

      I would love to engage you regarding a logical explanation as to why “an ALL KNOWING GOD, knowingly creates people that he KNOWS will be gay” but I have to see to some other responsibilities and will have to revisit that another time 🙂

      • Taylor

        My current belief system is that since I have no tangible proof that the Christian god, exists, I have no reason to worship such a god. So, far it has been proven true that you can not offer any tangible irrefutable proof for the existence of that god. And no other religion has offered any tangible proof for the existence of their gods, so I have no reason to worship their gods as well.

        No one has asked me to worship, Evolution! 🙂

        The only factual proof for my beliefs is the FACT, that you have no tangible proof that your god exists.

        You won’t be able to give a logical explanation for why an all knowing god creates people that he knows will be gay, because their isn’t one. So, don’t worry about revisiting the question, many have tried, all have failed.

        You can’t call this god you worship, loving, benevolent, and just, when he knowingly creates people that he knows will suffer for all eternity, when he doesn’t have to create them at all.

        If I don’t like something, I don’t do it. I don’t like liver and onions, therefore, I do not make liver and onions, because I know if I do make liver and onions they will end up in the garbage. For me, not making liver and onions because I don’t like them, is logical.

        Your god, doesn’t like homosexuals, he knows who will be homosexual before he ever allows for their creation, and that they will end up in hell. Yet he goes ahead an creates them anyway. WHY… Why create something you hate, unless you get your kicks by creating people you know will suffer for all eternity?

        Your god, is a psychopath! And I see no reason why anyone would worship such a being. And thankfully, because I don’t believe he exists…I do not feel badly or guilty about not doing so.

        • Barb

          You say you have “no tangible proof” of the Christian God? Creation itself is all the proof God gives to anyone! Romans 1:18-25:

          18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

          24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

          26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

          28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

          • Taylor

            No, it may be all the proof that YOU need. But, It’s not all the proof that I need. I require more proof than what your holy book gives.

            You do realize that quoting the Bible to someone who doesn’t believe that the Bible is anything more than some Iron Age writers explanation for where we came from and why we are here, is meaningless to them, don’t you?

            It’s like me quoting Harry Potter to you, to prove that wizards exist.

          • Barb

            You are living proof of what is described above in Romans 1. Your refusal to acknowledge God has resulted in your angry demeanor and vitriolic tone. When you refuse to acknowledge His lordship, you develop a debased mind and despise His name. Turn to Christ, ask for His forgiveness, and He will cleanse you. His mercy endures forever and is new every morning.

            Every human being knows deep down in his/her soul that there is a power greater than self to which we must answer. We cannot save ourselves, no matter how strong we think we are. Tomorrow you could encounter a terrible situation and would have no one to turn to for help. There are many situations in life no other human being can help you with. I’m sure those people in Orlando went to that club thinking they would be home in a few hours after having a good time.

            God planted His own image on humanity, but sin marred that image. There is only one way to restore it, and that is to turn to Christ. His peace passes all understanding and He will give you a new heart and new desires. That is His promise to everyone who will sincerely ask for it. God bless you.

          • Taylor

            My refusal to acknowledge god, is because no one has offered any tangible irrefutable proof that this god of yours exists.

            It’s difficult to “despise” something that you don’t believe exists. It’s like telling me that I despise leprechauns.

            Why would I turn to Christ, when I don’t believe in the divinity of that person?

            You don’t get to tell me what I feel deep down in my “soul”. Your self-righteous arrogance is showing!

            I’m 65 years old..you don’t have to give me life lessons about what I may or may not experience tomorrow. Good grief…climb down off of that high horse of yours, you’re not offering anything to me, that many people before you haven’t already said.

            All that talk, and you still haven’t answered the ONE question that I have asked.

            Why does a supposed, loving, benevolent, just, ALL KNOWING GOD create gay people that he knows will be Gay, and who he knows will end up being punished for all eternity when he doesn’t have to create them at all????

            You seem to have an answer for everything else…but not that.

            Save your God’s blessing for someone who actually believes your god exists, and believes that those blessing will do some good.

            I’m not that person.

  • Suzan D Reed

    No one wants to hear any message that says you can’t do whatever you want. We are all spoiled brat sinners who want our own way.

    • Barb

      Amen, Suzan!

    • Tammy Rainey

      Trans people are not doing what the want, but what they must to survive. Over half of us attempt to take our own lives at some point in order to relieve the mental and emotional distress that arises from our condition. Partly that’s because of the conflict between our brains and our reflection, partly it’s because the culture has decided we’re freaks and perverts who should be shunned and mocked, and partly because we do not WANT this and can find no other escape from it.

      As a follower of Christ, perhaps a more christ-like course of action is to empathize with hurting people and show kindness and compassion, rather than condemnation?

      • Suzan D Reed

        Have you considered that maybe you’re under spiritual war fare?

  • mike

    Everyone has faith as faith is a trust in something. Currently psychology says that being gay is normal. But psychology didn’t always say that. Prior to the early 1970s psychology taught that being gay was an illness. Did psychology suddenly base this change on Science? Science has as its gold standard: the RCT which is a double blind random controlled study duplicated by others to arrive at the same outcome. None of this happened. That psychology changes its mind without valid scientific proof is evidence that there is no science there and nothing to hang your hat that being gay is in fact normal.
    Instead the democratic process and politics made it normal and let’s be honest here.
    Faith or trust has to have substance otherwise one is on shaky ground.

    • Catholic Caretaker

      Well said Mike.
      – Reg

  • A.j. Beck

    Great article, right on target! Thanks for posting.

  • Alan

    Hey Matt, I love that you’re willing to stand and take the hits for the faith and never water down truth in your posts. For me, the truth you write is living water that refreshes and builds up my heart and soul. That others can take the same words as a flood of delusion you’re under just makes the point that spiritual truth is never arrived at by reason alone. . . never.

    I think it’s also fair to admit that church could do way better being like Jesus. With how it treats others the church often doesn’t do truth well at all both in and outside the body. Individually as members and together as church, truth = doctrine often trumps love and acts like a wall rather than a door between the church and the world. It’s not just the extremes of a Westboro baptist who use the bible as a cover for hate, it’s also the hard hearts of the KJV only who damn their brothers who find Jesus in a different translation, or the Calvinist who closes his heart to the Arminian – or vice versa- all due to their allegiance to the ‘truth.’ Truth that’s just held but is unliving always is unloving and experienced as judgmental. It’s different with Jesus, he is Truth and what he said is only Truth, but even the hard things he spoke were living and made a difference. So often the church is set on the truth/judgment thing but misses/lacks love. We would impact greater if we cared as much about having open hearts as we do about being correct.

    • Barb

      AMEN!

  • Judy Ann Lyoness

    The people that condemn you for offering Christ are only using you as the scapegoat. All of those who are depressed and suicidal over their gender crisis are feeling bad because God gave each of us a conscience that tells us when we have done wrong, whether they ever hear the gospel or not. LGBT would not be an “alternative” if it did not vary from what they know in their hearts is “normal”. They may blame society’s teachings for their discomfort (just like the blame Christians and anyone who holds a moral stance), but it is an indisputable fact that societies all over the whole world have the same beliefs in the difference of the sexes. I challenge anyone to find a society in history or today that totally embraced the LGBT lifestyle and survived. So it is not even evolutionarily feasible, if you want to use science as a basis. I do not hate those who are LGBT. I have LGBT friends. But I have never hated anyone for being a sinner. It’s what we are until we let Christ change us. Keep on loving, Matt!

    • Barb

      So very true!

    • Tammy Rainey

      “All of those who are depressed and suicidal over their gender crisis are
      feeling bad because God gave each of us a conscience that tells us when
      we have done wrong,”

      Nonsense. You make claims which you cannot in any wise support.

      I was saved by grace at the age of nine, except for one five year episode of near suicidal depression after high school, I spent the following decades as a very faithful Christian. At 24 I was licensed to the ministry in the SBC and spent 2 decades preaching the conservative Christian party line.

      Even though I’d experienced gender dysphoria since I was 5 or 6 years old.

      I have prayed seemingly a million prayers of repentance while mistakenly convinced this was sin, begged for healing at every turn, cried countless tears, sought ONLY to seek his will in this life and wanting more than anything to be a “normal” man who did not have this condition.

      And it never EVER lessened let alone went away. For 40 years and more, it never went away. The only healing I ever got was when I realized my religious leaders, and the culture around me, had been lying to me all my life.

      If being trans was wrong, something for our conscience to convict us of and push us to turn away from, then WHY was it that in those 20 years as a minister when I fully embraced the false anti-trans doctrine, even preaching it from time to time, and wanted nothing more in life than to be delivered from the sinful temptation so that it never crossed my mind again, always avoiding any thought of indulging it and repenting even for the existence of the desire….yet no peace came?
      Why?

      Frankly, madam, it is wildly arrogant and grossly insulting for someone who has no experience with this, no education or training about it, and no theological understanding of the subject (the Bible says nothing whatsoever against it) to try and explain it away with your uninformed speculation which serves no purpose but to make you feel better about your desire to look down on these people.

      Your Lord modeled empathy, compassion, kindness, mercy, grace and love towards the outcast and the marginalized – will you follow Him? Or follow the path of the Pharisees?

  • James

    We’ve heard this. We know this argument and theology. It’s always the churches response. It’s always the action that’s taken. It’s always the push for the theology and the apologetics.

    But this doesn’t raise money for Orlando. This doesn’t cause the church to say “no one should ever fear for their life for holding someone’s hand.”

    • Sandi Luckins

      Orlando was committed by a homosexual. It was homosexual against homosexual

      • James

        Umm, no he was not. The FBI even states so about 4 days ago. Regardless, what’s your point?

        • Sandi Luckins

          I don’t care what the FBI is saying now. It was committed by a homosexual. Homosexual violence against other homosexuals.

          • James

            You’re going to need a few more credentials or logic to make a statement you expect anyone to believe to be more accurate than that of the Federal Buraeu of Investigation. AGAIN, regardless, the hell is your point?

          • Sandi Luckins

            I’m sorry it was too clear for you to understand. It is not the church, or church teaching hurting homosexuals – they hurt each other. Feel better?

          • James

            Yet, again, you have no proof that he was gay. However, let’s assume he is. An isolated case of like hurting like does not overrule or erase the countless cases and decades, no centuries, of “Christians” or people in the name of Jesus, hurting or abusing the LGBT community

          • Sandi Luckins

            Like it or not, Jesus said that homosexuality is a sin that will keep one out of the Kingdom of Heaven. He created us – He sets the rules.
            People who suffer with homosexuals urges hurt each other all of the time. They keep each other out of God’s blessings – all in the name of love – which is no more than sin. They lie to each other that their sin is immutable and innate when Jesus said that He would heal us of our sin. If loving me is keeping me out of the blessings of God, I would say that is not love.

          • James

            If rig the point and shifting blame. Cool.

          • Sandi Luckins

            We know you ignore the truth. What are you trying to shift blame on now, James?

          • James

            I’m not shifting the blame on anyone. I’m calling out the church for its lack of empathy

          • Sandi Luckins

            The church has a lot of empathy for these sinners. I haven’t seen that much shown for adulterers, murderers and thieves. No one wants these people to go to Hell like the culture today does. The church keeps trying to protect them from that James.

        • Adam Jenson
    • David Foster

      I understand that the church represents Christ on Earth, but the church is still a sinful, tainted body and organization. Just like Pope Francis said today, the church will let people down and should probably apologize to different organizations and groups. This is because its a business, and a business doesn’t save people. Yes, a business can raise money for events and causes, but Jesus (a person) moves, touches, and enters into our hearts that changes our lives.

      • Barb

        Exactly!

      • James

        Again, the vast majority is aware of that message. But unlike Jesus, the church seems to have little interest in backing it up with actions. And they only seem to care about the LGBT community whenever it’s convenient to help them look pious.

        • David Foster

          ???

          • James

            You can try to repeat the gospel to every LGBT person you meet, but most if not all will not care to hear it. Because it will the millionth time they’ve heard it. They are very aware of the church and what it teaches. What they never seem to see are Christians who actually care about their lives and day to day needs. Why should they listen to the gospel of Christians who never put it to practice?

          • Judith77

            Because seeds are planted, and they are cultivated by love. Of course many care about day to day lives of LGBT, some are our neighbors, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters, etc. Even if they respond harshly, please don’t doubt that one or many of the seeds will flourish. We may not see how Christ is working in them. With Christ, all things are possible.

          • James

            Except, seeds aren’t being planted. Because the church does nothing. It makes a sermon or prays a prayer in church about the LGBT people but never puts their faith to practice. As James said, faith without works is dead.

          • mike

            The church are people who are suppose to be followers of Jesus. But many of these followers have treated LGBT+ as lepers sending them away, pretending they don’t exist, and when one is found among them many churches use ‘discipline’ to cast them out while ignoring their own many sins!
            This is a valid criticism James and the church will lose its charitable status soon which is good in my humble opinion. Persecution of the church has always been purifying and redemptive.And then maybe there will be authentic caring an loving of LGBT+ folk. Who can refuse genuine love?

          • cryptical

            That’s a pretty huge generalization, James. I have no doubt there are some churches who are “doing nothing”, as you say. There are many others who indeed are doing something. Personally, as a Christian, I’ve had many gay friends, and one of my best friends is a gay man. We are able to frankly discuss our differences and continue loving each other. I seek to love him and share Jesus with him as much as I can. Maybe you’ve been hurt by some church sometime, but please don’t let yourself use that as an excuse to reject Jesus. I agree with what David says upthread about where we are to look is to a holy and righteous and loving God. It’s to him we’re going to answer at the end of our lives. Not to a church or another human being. Peace.

  • Guy New

    as an EX TRANSSEXUAL = I AGREE = I USE TO BE A NASTY SINNER.. BUT I WAS TURNED AROUND AND FINALLY HAD TRUE GODLY SORROW AND THEN HAD MINISTERING ANGELS COME CELEBRATE ME A LOST SHEEP BACK INTO THE FOLD.. yes i was baptized 5 yrs previous but i still was living in willful sins.. yes i had reverted back to living as male as best as possible sine i had all the surgeries.. but i was still doing other sins.. yes we need to stop ALL SINS .. ALL WILLFUL SINS TAKE US TO HELL IF WE DO NOT REPENT.. .. one knows when they are willfully sinning.. i pray someone reads this and is convicted the the truth.. please repent and turn.. i am getting down on hands and knees for you now.. amen

    • Guy New

      Father you are the potter i am your clay.. form me into that which you desire for me to be.. i surrender my life to you and your Son.. i thank you for sending your Son Jesus to die for me so that i might be free.. amen.. i love you my sweet Jesus ..

      • Judith77

        Guy New, you didn’t allow evil to completely take your soul. Thanks be to God! I hope that you talk and write about your experiences, you may be an instrument to Christ in saving someones soul and from self mutilation. Christ be with you, always.

        • Tammy Rainey

          he’d need a Biblical case to do that – and there isn’t one.

          As a follower of Christ, perhaps a more christ-like course of action is
          to empathize with hurting people and show kindness and compassion,
          rather than condemnation?

    • Tammy Rainey

      please explain to me in specific detail, using proper Biblical exegesis, how specifically we may conclude that transsexual transition is “nasty sin”?

  • Alan

    Maybe the better question is, “Are LGBT people being damaged by Traditional Christians?”
    There is huge need for believers to be alive in Truth, not just live on truths they were brought up with.

  • Eddie

    I get where you are coming from Matt. It is difficult to maintain one’s path along the straight and narrow (no pun intended!) yet hear the heartbreak from those individuals who opt to live the gay lifestyle because they don’t want to go through this life alone. Loneliness sucks, yet so does regret. It is this life, not the afterlife that people tend to focus on mostly because this is their reality — the here and now, but this reality will pass away. They say life is short, live in the moment, etc. Then what? How long is the life and how much time is in the moment? I don’t want the loneliness either. I don’t want to perish more so.

  • None ya

    If we’re admitting that “what we believe is what we believe because it is what feels right to us”, then let us belive what we believe and leave us be. Quit pushing your beliefs on others. The end.

  • love2write

    I have had and do have gay friends and not one of them is ever happy in their lifestyle. When they admitted the burden and sorrow of their chosen lifestyle was too much, some came to the Lord and were joyfully transformed. Overall, we need to recognize our own desperate need for God before change is even possible. As long as we see ourselves as self-sufficient and all-knowing, we have idolized ourselves and will consistently deny our need for God. Also, as long as we hold onto this attitude, our sin and self-deception will continue to harden our hearts which takes us further and further away from any hope of salvation. (I am speaking from experience, not a gay lifestyle, just a very self-centred one that nearly destroyed me. Learned that the pleasure of sin only lasts a moment, then there’s hell to pay and no escape outside of the gracious help of God).

    Heb 3:8  Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
    Heb 3:12  Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
    Heb 3:13  But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

    To continue to sin hardens our hearts, and the longer we continue, the harder it is to change. Therefore, repentance must be more than a mental assent that we are doing wrong. When we are touched by God, it is then that we fall on our face and recognize our depravity. King David recognized his own sin and had a godly sorrow for it. It was his heart that changed:

    Pas 51:2  Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
    Psa 51:10  Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

    ALL HAVE SINNED! This is true for ALL OF US! God loves us and is there waiting for us to respond to Him! He’ll pull us out of any pit and change our sorrow into joy! He did it for me and many of my friends, and He’ll do it for anyone!

    • Mr. M

      I’m gay and am happy as ever. The only time I wasn’t happy in my life was when I was in the closet and felt the need to date women.

      • love2write

        It is not about our personal happiness. It is about doing the right thing according to the Word of God.

        • Mr. M

          And what is the “word of God” exactly?

          • love2write

            The Bible. Also, Jesus: John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

          • Mr. M

            Says who? Maybe Buddhists or Hindus are the correct religion. Maybe one of the many hundreds of religions that preceded the Abrahamic religions is the true and correct religion.

          • love2write

            Isa 45:5  I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
            Isa 45:6  That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
            Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
            Isa 45:8  Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
            Isa 45:9  Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

            Bible prophecies are fulfilled to the letter concerning the birth of Christ, death, resurrection, and continue to be and will be fulfilled re: the state of Israel, world events and end times prophecies. Mostly, God cannot lie whereas man is flawed in his thinking and theology. All religions are man-made.

            True Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with God.

            Joh 1:12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
            Joh 1:13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

          • Mr. M

            “All religions are man-made” – and so is the bible. It was written and edited by men and kings throughout the centuries. It is not the “word of God”.

  • For two decades I was poisoned with the idea that if I was gay, I was going to hell. No one had told me of the redeeming blood of Jesus Christ. Sure Jesus was out there, and if only I was saved I would no longer be gay. When I came to the Lord, my depression had ended and I longer wanted to kill myself, but why was I still attracted to the same sex? Had I done something wrong? Was God really sending me to hell because I was gay? This was bad theology and it lead me to a hardcore gay lifestyle.
    But it wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows as promised by the LGBT community. I saw much death and disease, facing the prospect of having HIV myself (about the scariest time in my life). Yeah, they don’t want to talk about that. There was much promiscuity. They don’t want to talk about that. There was no love from any of the guys I dated, nor did I love any of them. It was all about sex. They don’t want to talk about that.
    It was only when I came back to the Father that I was able to heal. I was able to see the lies that both sides had spoken to me. I was not going to hell for being gay, but for being a sinner. The LGBT community had done nothing but lie, to keep me away from my Lord.

  • Whitney

    Matt Moore I read your article and I think you are right we have been demonizing each other. You have the right to live your life as you want and I respect your walk with Christ as you fight you SSA. I disagree with you about the LGBT’s message of self acceptance. I grew up in the Church, Pentecostal, and I hated having SSA. I hated it because I fully believed I was going to hell and that my sin was the worst kind of sin, my sin was worse that stealing, killing, lying, drunkness or even having sex before marriage. I thought these things because my church preached these things, I felt even worse about it because I had to lie to everyone in order to escape having their beliefs directed towards me. One young man was outed in our church and the family ended up leaving because of the treatment and gossiping. You see I made the decision to never go back to church after I left home because of the churches message, I know some will say I shouldn’t feel the message is hateful peole are only “speaking in truth”. That message was hurtful and nearly destroyed my relationship with god and nearly destroyed my life because I internalized the message there was something wrong with me. As I actually accepted my SSA and learned to love myself I started to want to rebuild my relationship with god, but I will never go back to the church. I was depressed when I was in church, having left the church and fully embracing who I am has lead me to a much happier life. I do not wallow in pity and angre like before, I actually wake up and look forward to the day. Many will think I am lying or fooling myself but the LGBT community’s message helped me. I regreat that gay christians are treated with distain within the community, we should be more understanding and accepting of your message since it’s possible to disagree with someone with hating them. As I said I respect your walk but I fully disagree with your premise that church’s message is the message our community needs the most.

    • Hi Whitney. Like you I was exposed to religion that constantly pounded in my head that all gays go to hell. It led to the denial that I was SSA, but knowing I was. I hated myself and was dealing with the suicide of my best friend. I nearly killed myself, but that was the night I actually came to the Lord. Then again I heard that I was going to hell for being gay. But I was saved, wasn’t I? I quit going to church, and no one came after me.
      I delved hard into the hardcore gay lifestyle and lived this way for about eighteen months. I got out of it when I was offered money for sex, and when a guy tried to rape me. Still I would not go back to church. I thought I could learn about the Bible and spirituality on my own, but I was deluding myself. All I leaned was pure garbage. In the mean time I became more bitter and angry at Christians and thought of them as phonies. You couldn’t pay me to go to church.
      Then a massive stroke hit four years ago. I almost died. My memories were totally erased, including the death of my friend and what I had heard. I needed God just to relearn how to walk. I started going back to church, and relearning everything I thought I knew and realized I didn’t know anything at all.